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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>
Cc: Roopa Prabhu <roopa@cumulusnetworks.com>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@netronome.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <sthemmin@microsoft.com>,
	dcbw@redhat.com, Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	parav@mellanox.com, Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@mellanox.com>,
	mlxsw <mlxsw@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [patch net-next rfc 3/7] net: rtnetlink: add commands to add and delete alternative ifnames
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 08:30:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190810063047.GC2344@nanopsycho.orion> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5e7270a1-8de6-1563-4e42-df37da161b98@gmail.com>

Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 06:14:03PM CEST, dsahern@gmail.com wrote:
>On 8/9/19 9:40 AM, Roopa Prabhu wrote:
>>>>> diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/rtnetlink.h b/include/uapi/linux/rtnetlink.h
>>>>> index ce2a623abb75..b36cfd83eb76 100644
>>>>> --- a/include/uapi/linux/rtnetlink.h
>>>>> +++ b/include/uapi/linux/rtnetlink.h
>>>>> @@ -164,6 +164,13 @@ enum {
>>>>>         RTM_GETNEXTHOP,
>>>>>  #define RTM_GETNEXTHOP RTM_GETNEXTHOP
>>>>>
>>>>> +       RTM_NEWALTIFNAME = 108,
>>>>> +#define RTM_NEWALTIFNAME       RTM_NEWALTIFNAME
>>>>> +       RTM_DELALTIFNAME,
>>>>> +#define RTM_DELALTIFNAME       RTM_DELALTIFNAME
>>>>> +       RTM_GETALTIFNAME,
>>>>> +#define RTM_GETALTIFNAME       RTM_GETALTIFNAME
>>>>> +
>>>>
>>>> I might have missed the prior discussion, why do we need new commands
>>>> ?. can't this simply be part of RTM_*LINK and we use RTM_SETLINK to
>>>> set alternate names ?
>>>
>>> How? This is to add/remove. How do you suggest to to add/remove by
>>> setlink?
>> 
>> to that point, I am also not sure why we have a new API For multiple
>> names. I mean why support more than two names  (existing old name and
>> a new name to remove the length limitation) ?
>> 
>> Your patch series addresses a very important problem (we run into this
>> limitation all  the time and its hard to explain it to network
>> operators) and
>>  its already unfortunate that we have to have more than one name
>> because we cannot resize the existing one.
>> 
>> The best we can do for simpler transition/management from user-space
>> is to keep the api simple..
>> ie keep it close to the management of existing link attributes. Hence
>> the question.
>> 
>> I assumed this would be like alias. A single new field that can be
>> referenced in lieu of the old one.
>> 
>> Your series is very useful to many of us...but when i think about
>> changing our network manager to accommodate this, I am worried about
>> how many apps will have to change.
>> I agree they have to change regardless but now they will have to
>> listen to yet another notification and msg format for names ?
>> 
>> (apologies for joining the thread late and if i missed prior discussion on this)
>
>I agree with Roopa. I do not understand why new RTM commands are needed.
>The existing IFLA + ifinfomsg struct give more than enough ways to id
>the device for adding / deleting an alternate name.
>

Could you please write me an example message of add/remove?

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-10  6:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-19 11:00 [patch net-next rfc 0/7] net: introduce alternative names for network interfaces Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 1/7] net: procfs: use index hashlist instead of name hashlist Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 2/7] net: introduce name_node struct to be used in hashlist Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 16:29   ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-07-19 19:17     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 20:26       ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-07-20  7:15         ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-13  9:52         ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-08  4:34   ` kbuild test robot
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 3/7] net: rtnetlink: add commands to add and delete alternative ifnames Jiri Pirko
2019-07-20  3:58   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-07-20  7:20     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-09  4:11   ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-09  6:25     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-09 15:40       ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-09 15:46         ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-10 13:46           ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-10 15:50             ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-10 19:39               ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-11 22:10                 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-12 15:21                   ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-12 15:43                     ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-09 16:14         ` David Ahern
2019-08-10  6:30           ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
2019-08-12  1:34             ` David Ahern
2019-08-12  1:37               ` David Ahern
2019-08-12  8:31                 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-12 15:13                   ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-12 21:43                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-08-13  0:29                       ` David Ahern
2019-08-13  6:53                         ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-13  6:51                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-12 15:40                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-08-12 16:23                     ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-13  6:55                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-12 16:01                   ` David Ahern
2019-08-13  6:56                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-26 16:09                       ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-26 16:55                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-08-26 21:46                           ` David Ahern
2019-08-26 22:15                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-08-26 22:18                               ` David Miller
2019-08-26 22:24                                 ` David Ahern
2019-08-26 22:25                                   ` David Miller
2019-08-27  0:17                                     ` David Ahern
2019-08-27  5:09                                       ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-27  7:08                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-27  8:22                                   ` David Miller
2019-08-27  9:35                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-27 15:14                                       ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-28  7:07                                         ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-29  4:36                                           ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-29  5:26                                             ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-30 14:35                                               ` Roopa Prabhu
2019-08-30 14:47                                                 ` David Ahern
2019-08-30 17:04                                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-30 14:49                                                 ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-30 17:03                                                 ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-12 11:59                                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-13  8:21                                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-09-13 14:50                                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-08-27  4:55                             ` Michal Kubecek
2019-08-27 13:43                               ` David Ahern
2019-08-10  6:32         ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 4/7] net: rtnetlink: put alternative names to getlink message Jiri Pirko
2019-07-20  3:59   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-07-20  7:17     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 5/7] net: rtnetlink: unify the code in __rtnl_newlink get dev with the rest Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 6/7] net: rtnetlink: introduce helper to get net_device instance by ifname Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:00 ` [patch net-next rfc 7/7] net: rtnetlink: add possibility to use alternative names as message handle Jiri Pirko
2019-07-20  3:59   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-07-20  7:22     ` Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:03 ` [patch iproute2 rfc 1/2] ip: add support for alternative name addition/deletion/list Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 11:03 ` [patch iproute2 rfc 2/2] ip: allow to use alternative names as handle Jiri Pirko
2019-07-19 16:31 ` [patch net-next rfc 0/7] net: introduce alternative names for network interfaces Stephen Hemminger
2019-07-19 19:16   ` Jiri Pirko

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