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From: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Kenny Ho <Kenny.Ho-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
Cc: daniel-/w4YWyX8dFk@public.gmane.org,
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	christian.koenig-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v4 00/16] new cgroup controller for gpu/drm subsystem
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 21:28:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190831042857.GD2263813@devbig004.ftw2.facebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190829060533.32315-1-Kenny.Ho-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>

Hello,

I just glanced through the interface and don't have enough context to
give any kind of detailed review yet.  I'll try to read up and
understand more and would greatly appreciate if you can give me some
pointers to read up on the resources being controlled and how the
actual use cases would look like.  That said, I have some basic
concerns.

* TTM vs. GEM distinction seems to be internal implementation detail
  rather than anything relating to underlying physical resources.
  Provided that's the case, I'm afraid these internal constructs being
  used as primary resource control objects likely isn't the right
  approach.  Whether a given driver uses one or the other internal
  abstraction layer shouldn't determine how resources are represented
  at the userland interface layer.

* While breaking up and applying control to different types of
  internal objects may seem attractive to folks who work day in and
  day out with the subsystem, they aren't all that useful to users and
  the siloed controls are likely to make the whole mechanism a lot
  less useful.  We had the same problem with cgroup1 memcg - putting
  control of different uses of memory under separate knobs.  It made
  the whole thing pretty useless.  e.g. if you constrain all knobs
  tight enough to control the overall usage, overall utilization
  suffers, but if you don't, you really don't have control over actual
  usage.  For memcg, what has to be allocated and controlled is
  physical memory, no matter how they're used.  It's not like you can
  go buy more "socket" memory.  At least from the looks of it, I'm
  afraid gpu controller is repeating the same mistakes.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-08-31  4:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-29  6:05 [PATCH RFC v4 00/16] new cgroup controller for gpu/drm subsystem Kenny Ho
2019-08-29  6:05 ` [PATCH RFC v4 01/16] drm: Add drm_minor_for_each Kenny Ho
     [not found]   ` <20190829060533.32315-2-Kenny.Ho-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-03  7:57     ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-03 19:45       ` Kenny Ho
     [not found]         ` <CAOWid-dxxDhyxP2+0R0oKAk29rR-1TbMyhshR1+gbcpGJCAW6g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-03 20:12           ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]             ` <CAKMK7uEofjdVURu+meonh_YdV5eX8vfNALkW3A_+kLapCV8j+w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-03 20:43               ` Kenny Ho
     [not found]                 ` <CAOWid-eUVztW4hNVpznnJRcwHcjCirGL2aS75p4OY8XoGuJqUg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-04  8:54                   ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                     ` <20190904085434.GF2112-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-05 18:27                       ` Kenny Ho
2019-09-05 18:28                       ` Kenny Ho
2019-09-05 20:06                         ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                           ` <CAKMK7uGSrscs-WAv0pYfcxaUGXvx7M6JYbiPHTY=1hxRbFK1sg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-05 20:20                             ` Kenny Ho
2019-09-05 20:32                               ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                                 ` <CAKMK7uHy+GRAcpLDuz6STCBW+GNfNWr-i=ZERF3uqkO7jfynnQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-05 21:26                                   ` Kenny Ho
     [not found]                                     ` <CAOWid-cRP1T2gr2U_ZN+QhS7jFM0kFTWiYy8JPPXXmGW7xBPzA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-06  9:12                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-06 15:29                     ` Tejun Heo
2019-09-06 15:36                       ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                         ` <CAKMK7uFQqAMB1DbiEy-o2bzr_F25My93imNcg1Qh9DHe=uWQug-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-06 15:38                           ` Tejun Heo
2019-08-29  6:05 ` [PATCH RFC v4 02/16] cgroup: Introduce cgroup for drm subsystem Kenny Ho
     [not found]   ` <20190829060533.32315-3-Kenny.Ho-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-01 14:31     ` Michal Koutný
     [not found]       ` <20191001143106.GA4749-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2019-11-29  6:00         ` Kenny Ho
2019-11-29  6:00           ` Kenny Ho
2019-11-29  6:00           ` Kenny Ho
2019-11-29  6:00           ` Kenny Ho
     [not found]           ` <CAOWid-ewvs-c-z_WW+Cx=Jaf0p8ZAwkWCkq2E8Xkj+2HvfNjaA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-02 19:14             ` Tejun Heo
2019-12-02 19:14               ` Tejun Heo
2019-12-02 19:14               ` Tejun Heo
2019-12-02 19:14               ` Tejun Heo
2019-08-29  6:05 ` [PATCH RFC v4 03/16] drm, cgroup: Initialize drmcg properties Kenny Ho
2019-08-29  6:05 ` [PATCH RFC v4 07/16] drm, cgroup: Add total GEM buffer allocation limit Kenny Ho
     [not found]   ` <20190829060533.32315-8-Kenny.Ho-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-01 14:30     ` Michal Koutný
2019-11-29  7:18       ` Kenny Ho
2019-11-29  7:18         ` Kenny Ho
2019-11-29  7:18         ` Kenny Ho
     [not found] ` <20190829060533.32315-1-Kenny.Ho-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-08-29  6:05   ` [PATCH RFC v4 04/16] drm, cgroup: Add total GEM buffer allocation stats Kenny Ho
2019-08-29  6:05   ` [PATCH RFC v4 05/16] drm, cgroup: Add peak " Kenny Ho
2019-08-29  6:05   ` [PATCH RFC v4 06/16] drm, cgroup: Add GEM buffer allocation count stats Kenny Ho
2019-08-29  6:05   ` [PATCH RFC v4 08/16] drm, cgroup: Add peak GEM buffer allocation limit Kenny Ho
2019-08-29  6:05   ` [PATCH RFC v4 09/16] drm, cgroup: Add TTM buffer allocation stats Kenny Ho
2019-08-29  6:05   ` [PATCH RFC v4 10/16] drm, cgroup: Add TTM buffer peak usage stats Kenny Ho
2019-08-29  6:05   ` [PATCH RFC v4 11/16] drm, cgroup: Add per cgroup bw measure and control Kenny Ho
     [not found]     ` <20190829060533.32315-12-Kenny.Ho-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-01 14:30       ` Michal Koutný
2019-08-29  6:05   ` [PATCH RFC v4 13/16] drm, cgroup: Allow more aggressive memory reclaim Kenny Ho
2019-08-29  7:08     ` Koenig, Christian
2019-08-29 14:07       ` Kenny Ho
     [not found]         ` <CAOWid-dzJiqjH9+=36fFYh87OKOzToMDcJZpepOWdjoXpBSF8A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-08-29 14:12           ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]             ` <f6963293-bebe-0dca-b509-799f9096ca91-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-08-29 14:39               ` Kenny Ho
2019-08-29  6:05   ` [PATCH RFC v4 15/16] drm, cgroup: add update trigger after limit change Kenny Ho
2019-08-31  4:28   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
     [not found]     ` <20190831042857.GD2263813-LpCCV3molIbIZ9tKgghJQw2O0Ztt9esIQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-03  7:55       ` [PATCH RFC v4 00/16] new cgroup controller for gpu/drm subsystem Daniel Vetter
     [not found]         ` <20190903075550.GJ2112-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-03 18:50           ` Tejun Heo
2019-09-03 19:23             ` Kenny Ho
2019-09-03 19:48             ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]               ` <CAKMK7uE5Bj-3cJH895iqnLpwUV+GBDM1Y=n4Z4A3xervMdJKXg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-06 15:23                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20190906152320.GM2263813-LpCCV3molIbIZ9tKgghJQw2O0Ztt9esIQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-06 15:34                     ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                       ` <CAKMK7uEXP7XLFB2aFU6+E0TH_DepFRkfCoKoHwkXtjZRDyhHig-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-06 15:45                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                           ` <20190906154539.GP2263813-LpCCV3molIbIZ9tKgghJQw2O0Ztt9esIQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-10 11:54                             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                               ` <20190910115448.GT2063-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-10 16:03                                 ` Tejun Heo
2019-09-10 17:25                                   ` Michal Hocko
2019-09-17 12:21                               ` Daniel Vetter
2019-08-29  6:05 ` [PATCH RFC v4 12/16] drm, cgroup: Add soft VRAM limit Kenny Ho
2019-08-29  6:05 ` [PATCH RFC v4 14/16] drm, cgroup: Introduce lgpu as DRM cgroup resource Kenny Ho
     [not found]   ` <20190829060533.32315-15-Kenny.Ho-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-08 18:53     ` Kuehling, Felix
     [not found]       ` <b3d2b3c1-8854-10ca-3e39-b3bef35bdfa9-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-09 10:31         ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]           ` <20191009103153.GU16989-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-09 15:08             ` Kenny Ho
     [not found]               ` <CAOWid-fLurBT6-h5WjQsEPA+dq1fgfWztbyZuLV4ypmWH8SC9w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-09 15:23                 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-09 15:25           ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-10-09 15:25             ` Kuehling, Felix
     [not found]             ` <ee873e89-48fd-c4c9-1ce0-73965f4ad2ba-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-09 15:34               ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-09 15:34                 ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                 ` <20191009153429.GI16989-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-09 15:53                   ` Kuehling, Felix
     [not found]                     ` <c7812af4-7ec4-02bb-ff4c-21dd114cf38e-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-09 16:06                       ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-09 18:52                         ` Greathouse, Joseph
     [not found]                           ` <CY4PR12MB17670EE9EE4A22663EB584E8F9950-rpdhrqHFk07NeWpHaHeGuQdYzm3356FpvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-09 19:07                             ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-11 17:12                         ` tj
     [not found]                           ` <20191011171247.GC18794-LpCCV3molIbIZ9tKgghJQw2O0Ztt9esIQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2019-11-29 20:10                             ` Felix Kuehling
2019-11-29 20:10                               ` Felix Kuehling
2019-11-29 20:10                               ` Felix Kuehling
2019-11-29 20:10                               ` Felix Kuehling
2019-08-29  6:05 ` [PATCH RFC v4 16/16] drm/amdgpu: Integrate with DRM cgroup Kenny Ho
     [not found]   ` <20190829060533.32315-17-Kenny.Ho-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-10-08 19:11     ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-10-08 19:11       ` Kuehling, Felix
     [not found]       ` <04abdc58-ae30-a13d-e7dc-f1020a1400b9-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-11-29  5:59         ` Kenny Ho
2019-11-29  5:59           ` Kenny Ho
2019-12-02 22:05           ` Greathouse, Joseph
2019-12-03 16:02             ` Kenny Ho
2019-09-03  8:02 ` [PATCH RFC v4 00/16] new cgroup controller for gpu/drm subsystem Daniel Vetter
     [not found]   ` <20190903080217.GL2112-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-03  8:24     ` Koenig, Christian
2019-09-03  9:19       ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-03 19:30         ` Kenny Ho

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