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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: sir@cmpwn.com
Cc: nhorman@tuxdriver.com, workflows@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: thoughts on a Merge Request based development workflow
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 17:33:29 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191007.173329.2182256975398971437.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BX8G8FACJ68D.3RNYA1J9VP98Z@homura>

From: "Drew DeVault" <sir@cmpwn.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:37:28 -0400

> Until this part. Phasing out email in favor of a centralized
> solution like Gitlab would be a stark regression.

I have to make a statement about this because it's really the elephant
in the room.

Email is on the slow and steady decline to an almost certain death.

And I say this as someone who is maintaining email lists for more than
25 years, and has to sift through several hundred emails every day.

Somewhere down the road, in the not too distant future, email will
simply not be an option.  You can "use" it, but I can guarantee it
will not be in a state where you will want to.

So we can stay in denial about this, or we can do something proactive
to prepare ourselve for this inevitable result.

And when we have these conversations about how important it is to
retain email based workflows, is that really to make sure we have a
backup plan in case new infrastructure fails, or is it to appease
"senior" maintainers like myself and others who simply don't want to
change and move on?

Personally, I seriously want to change and move on from email, it's
terrible.

I just want tools and pretty web pages, in fact I'll use just about
anything in order to move on from email based workflows entirely.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-10-07 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-24 18:25 thoughts on a Merge Request based development workflow Neil Horman
2019-09-24 18:37 ` Drew DeVault
2019-09-24 18:53   ` Neil Horman
2019-09-24 20:24     ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-24 22:25       ` Neil Horman
2019-09-25 20:50         ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-09-25 21:54           ` Neil Horman
2019-09-26  0:40           ` Neil Horman
2019-09-28 22:58             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-28 23:16               ` Dave Airlie
2019-09-28 23:52                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-01  3:22                 ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-01 21:14                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2019-09-29 11:57               ` Neil Horman
2019-09-29 12:55                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-09-30  1:00                   ` Neil Horman
2019-09-30  6:05                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-09-30 12:55                       ` Neil Horman
2019-09-30 13:20                         ` Nicolas Belouin
2019-09-30 13:40                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-09-30 21:02                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-09-30 14:51                   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-09-30 15:15                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-30 16:09                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-30 20:56                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-08  1:00                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2019-09-26 10:23           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-09-26 13:43             ` Neil Horman
2019-10-07 15:33   ` David Miller [this message]
2019-10-07 15:35     ` Drew DeVault
2019-10-07 16:20       ` Neil Horman
2019-10-07 16:24         ` Drew DeVault
2019-10-07 18:43           ` David Miller
2019-10-07 19:24             ` Eric Wong
2019-10-07 15:47     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-07 18:40       ` David Miller
2019-10-07 18:45       ` David Miller
2019-10-07 19:21         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-07 21:49     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-07 23:00     ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-08  0:39       ` Eric Wong
2019-10-08  1:26         ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-08  2:11           ` Eric Wong
2019-10-08  3:24             ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-08  6:03               ` Eric Wong
2019-10-08 10:06                 ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-08 13:19                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-08 18:46                 ` Rob Herring
2019-10-08 21:36                   ` Eric Wong
2019-10-08  1:17       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-08 16:43         ` Don Zickus
2019-10-08 17:17           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-08 17:39             ` Don Zickus
2019-10-08 19:05               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-08 20:32                 ` Don Zickus
2019-10-08 21:35                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-09 21:50                     ` Laura Abbott
2019-10-10 12:48                       ` Neil Horman
2019-10-09 21:35                 ` Laura Abbott
2019-10-09 21:54                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-09 22:09                     ` Laura Abbott
2019-10-09 22:19                       ` Dave Airlie
2019-10-09 22:21                     ` Eric Wong
2019-10-09 23:56                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-10  0:07                         ` Eric Wong
2019-10-10  7:35                         ` Nicolas Belouin
2019-10-10 12:53                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-10 14:21                           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-11  7:12                             ` Nicolas Belouin
2019-10-11 13:56                               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-14  7:31                                 ` Nicolas Belouin
2019-10-10 17:52                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-10 20:57                       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-11 11:01                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-11 12:54                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-14 19:08                         ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-15  1:54                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-15 12:00                             ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-15 13:14                               ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-15 13:45                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-16 18:56                                   ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-16 19:08                                     ` Mark Brown
2019-10-17 10:22                                       ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-17 11:24                                         ` Mark Brown
2019-10-17 11:49                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-17 12:09                                       ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-17 12:53                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-15 16:07                           ` Greg KH
2019-10-15 16:35                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-15 18:58                             ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-15 19:33                               ` Greg KH
2019-10-15 20:03                                 ` Mark Brown
2019-10-15 19:50                               ` Mark Brown
2019-10-15 18:37                           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-15 19:15                             ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-15 19:35                               ` Greg KH
2019-10-15 19:41                               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-16 18:33                                 ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2019-10-09  2:02           ` Daniel Axtens
2019-09-24 23:15 ` David Rientjes
2019-09-25  6:35   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-09-25 10:49   ` Neil Horman

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