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[192.0.228.88]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f27sm9748547qtv.85.2019.10.15.09.11.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 15 Oct 2019 09:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:11:41 -0400 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: Greg KH Cc: Eric Wong , patchwork@lists.ozlabs.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: RFE: use patchwork to submit a patch Message-ID: <20191015161141.GD11491@chatter.i7.local> Mail-Followup-To: Greg KH , Eric Wong , patchwork@lists.ozlabs.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org References: <20191010144150.hqiosvwolm3lmzp5@chatter.i7.local> <20191011085702.GB1075470@kroah.com> <20191011200228.zuka44ve7hob4ia4@chatter.i7.local> <20191011212308.xk7xcvfamwnkwovn@dcvr> <20191011213553.g3pleurh5uomumi7@chatter.i7.local> <20191012071911.GA2034802@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20191012071911.GA2034802@kroah.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Sender: workflows-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 09:19:11AM +0200, Greg KH wrote: >> This is basically why SMTP sucks in my view -- and it's worthless >> trying to >> pick fights with IT departments, because they are told to do so by lawyers. >> So, I want to take SMTP out of the equation: >> >> 1. provide a way for someone to submit a patch using a web interface (but >> still in a way that From: is their corporate ID) > >If you do this, what happens when a maintainer/reviewer responds to that >patch and says "looks good, but can you change X and resend it?" > >How will they get that message if it didn't go through their email >system? How will they be able to respond to it? The magic of git and email headers. Only the initial submission will go out of this web service -- the follow-up is expected to arrive into their mailbox. >> 2. use individual git feeds as a way to send out patches instead of always >> being secondary to SMTP > >Sending patches that way is one thing, the interaction based on those >patches is another. > >Everyone needs to remember that only 1/3 of the patches submitted are >applied. The "normal" path of development is at least a review/resend >cycle for submissions (2/3 of patches). So that 2/3 can't be ignored as >the "new/drive-by submissions" are probably more in that category than >not. Right, the idea is that the imaginary tool that is backed by public-inbox will use multiple sources of content: - the mailing list repository - individual developer feeds - the person's imap folder Anything that shows up in the individual feeds should have a corresponding entry in the mailing list repository, but the latter is also cryptographically signed and therefore end-to-end attestable. Mailing lists and SMTP continue to be the fallback delivery method for the vast majority of the content. I expect to lay this out in more detail as I prepare the "kthul MVP" roadplan. -K