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From: Eduardo Valentin <eduval@amazon.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Anchal Agarwal <anchalag@amazon.com>, <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH V2 11/11] x86: tsc: avoid system instability in hibernation
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 07:35:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200110153520.GC8214@u40b0340c692b58f6553c.ant.amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200108105011.GY2827@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hey Peter,

On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 11:50:11AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 11:45:26PM +0000, Anchal Agarwal wrote:
> > From: Eduardo Valentin <eduval@amazon.com>
> > 
> > System instability are seen during resume from hibernation when system
> > is under heavy CPU load. This is due to the lack of update of sched
> > clock data, and the scheduler would then think that heavy CPU hog
> > tasks need more time in CPU, causing the system to freeze
> > during the unfreezing of tasks. For example, threaded irqs,
> > and kernel processes servicing network interface may be delayed
> > for several tens of seconds, causing the system to be unreachable.
> 
> > The fix for this situation is to mark the sched clock as unstable
> > as early as possible in the resume path, leaving it unstable
> > for the duration of the resume process. This will force the
> > scheduler to attempt to align the sched clock across CPUs using
> > the delta with time of day, updating sched clock data. In a post
> > hibernation event, we can then mark the sched clock as stable
> > again, avoiding unnecessary syncs with time of day on systems
> > in which TSC is reliable.
> 
> This makes no frigging sense what so bloody ever. If the clock is
> stable, we don't care about sched_clock_data. When it is stable you get
> a linear function of the TSC without complicated bits on.
> 
> When it is unstable, only then do we care about the sched_clock_data.
> 

Yeah, maybe what is not clear here is that we covering for situation
where clock stability changes over time, e.g. at regular boot clock is
stable, hibernation happens, then restore happens in a non-stable clock.

> > Reviewed-by: Erik Quanstrom <quanstro@amazon.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Frank van der Linden <fllinden@amazon.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Balbir Singh <sblbir@amazon.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Munehisa Kamata <kamatam@amazon.com>
> > Tested-by: Anchal Agarwal <anchalag@amazon.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Eduardo Valentin <eduval@amazon.com>
> > ---
> 
> NAK, the code very much relies on never getting marked stable again
> after it gets set to unstable.
> 

Well actually, at the PM_POST_HIBERNATION, we do the check and set stable if
known to be stable.

The issue only really happens during the restoration path under scheduling pressure,
which takes forever to finish, as described in the commit.

Do you see a better solution for this issue?


> > diff --git a/kernel/sched/clock.c b/kernel/sched/clock.c
> > index 1152259a4ca0..374d40e5b1a2 100644
> > --- a/kernel/sched/clock.c
> > +++ b/kernel/sched/clock.c
> > @@ -116,7 +116,7 @@ static void __scd_stamp(struct sched_clock_data *scd)
> >  	scd->tick_raw = sched_clock();
> >  }
> >  
> > -static void __set_sched_clock_stable(void)
> > +void set_sched_clock_stable(void)
> >  {
> >  	struct sched_clock_data *scd;
> >  
> > @@ -236,7 +236,7 @@ static int __init sched_clock_init_late(void)
> >  	smp_mb(); /* matches {set,clear}_sched_clock_stable() */
> >  
> >  	if (__sched_clock_stable_early)
> > -		__set_sched_clock_stable();
> > +		set_sched_clock_stable();
> >  
> >  	return 0;
> >  }
> > -- 
> > 2.15.3.AMZN
> > 

-- 
All the best,
Eduardo Valentin

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From: Eduardo Valentin <eduval@amazon.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: konrad.wilk@oracle.co, eduval@amazon.com, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, axboe@kernel.dk, pavel@ucw.cz, hpa@zytor.com,
	boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com, sstabellini@kernel.org,
	fllinden@amaozn.com, kamatam@amazon.com, mingo@redhat.com,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, sblbir@amazon.com,
	len.brown@intel.com, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Anchal Agarwal <anchalag@amazon.com>,
	bp@alien8.de, tglx@linutronix.de, jgross@suse.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Woodhouse@dev-dsk-anchalag-2a-9c2d1d96.us-west-2.amazon.com,
	rjw@rjwysocki.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	vkuznets@redhat.com, davem@davemloft.net, dwmw@amazon.co.uk,
	roger.pau@citrix.com
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [RFC PATCH V2 11/11] x86: tsc: avoid system instability in hibernation
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 07:35:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200110153520.GC8214@u40b0340c692b58f6553c.ant.amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200108105011.GY2827@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hey Peter,

On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 11:50:11AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 11:45:26PM +0000, Anchal Agarwal wrote:
> > From: Eduardo Valentin <eduval@amazon.com>
> > 
> > System instability are seen during resume from hibernation when system
> > is under heavy CPU load. This is due to the lack of update of sched
> > clock data, and the scheduler would then think that heavy CPU hog
> > tasks need more time in CPU, causing the system to freeze
> > during the unfreezing of tasks. For example, threaded irqs,
> > and kernel processes servicing network interface may be delayed
> > for several tens of seconds, causing the system to be unreachable.
> 
> > The fix for this situation is to mark the sched clock as unstable
> > as early as possible in the resume path, leaving it unstable
> > for the duration of the resume process. This will force the
> > scheduler to attempt to align the sched clock across CPUs using
> > the delta with time of day, updating sched clock data. In a post
> > hibernation event, we can then mark the sched clock as stable
> > again, avoiding unnecessary syncs with time of day on systems
> > in which TSC is reliable.
> 
> This makes no frigging sense what so bloody ever. If the clock is
> stable, we don't care about sched_clock_data. When it is stable you get
> a linear function of the TSC without complicated bits on.
> 
> When it is unstable, only then do we care about the sched_clock_data.
> 

Yeah, maybe what is not clear here is that we covering for situation
where clock stability changes over time, e.g. at regular boot clock is
stable, hibernation happens, then restore happens in a non-stable clock.

> > Reviewed-by: Erik Quanstrom <quanstro@amazon.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Frank van der Linden <fllinden@amazon.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Balbir Singh <sblbir@amazon.com>
> > Reviewed-by: Munehisa Kamata <kamatam@amazon.com>
> > Tested-by: Anchal Agarwal <anchalag@amazon.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Eduardo Valentin <eduval@amazon.com>
> > ---
> 
> NAK, the code very much relies on never getting marked stable again
> after it gets set to unstable.
> 

Well actually, at the PM_POST_HIBERNATION, we do the check and set stable if
known to be stable.

The issue only really happens during the restoration path under scheduling pressure,
which takes forever to finish, as described in the commit.

Do you see a better solution for this issue?


> > diff --git a/kernel/sched/clock.c b/kernel/sched/clock.c
> > index 1152259a4ca0..374d40e5b1a2 100644
> > --- a/kernel/sched/clock.c
> > +++ b/kernel/sched/clock.c
> > @@ -116,7 +116,7 @@ static void __scd_stamp(struct sched_clock_data *scd)
> >  	scd->tick_raw = sched_clock();
> >  }
> >  
> > -static void __set_sched_clock_stable(void)
> > +void set_sched_clock_stable(void)
> >  {
> >  	struct sched_clock_data *scd;
> >  
> > @@ -236,7 +236,7 @@ static int __init sched_clock_init_late(void)
> >  	smp_mb(); /* matches {set,clear}_sched_clock_stable() */
> >  
> >  	if (__sched_clock_stable_early)
> > -		__set_sched_clock_stable();
> > +		set_sched_clock_stable();
> >  
> >  	return 0;
> >  }
> > -- 
> > 2.15.3.AMZN
> > 

-- 
All the best,
Eduardo Valentin

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Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-07 23:45 [RFC PATCH V2 11/11] x86: tsc: avoid system instability in hibernation Anchal Agarwal
2020-01-07 23:45 ` [Xen-devel] " Anchal Agarwal
2020-01-08 10:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-08 10:50   ` [Xen-devel] " Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-10 15:35   ` Eduardo Valentin [this message]
2020-01-10 15:35     ` Eduardo Valentin
2020-01-13 10:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-13 10:16       ` [Xen-devel] " Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-13 11:43       ` Singh, Balbir
2020-01-13 11:43         ` [Xen-devel] " Singh, Balbir
2020-01-13 11:43         ` Singh, Balbir
2020-01-13 11:48         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-13 11:48           ` [Xen-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-13 11:48           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-13 12:42         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-13 12:42           ` [Xen-devel] " Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-13 12:42           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-13 21:50           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-13 21:50             ` [Xen-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-13 21:50             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-13 23:30             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-13 23:30               ` [Xen-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-13 23:30               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-14 19:29               ` Anchal Agarwal
2020-01-14 19:29                 ` [Xen-devel] " Anchal Agarwal
2020-01-22 20:07                 ` Anchal Agarwal
2020-01-22 20:07                   ` [Xen-devel] " Anchal Agarwal
2020-01-23 16:27                   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2020-01-23 16:27                     ` [Xen-devel] " Boris Ostrovsky
2020-01-13 13:01         ` Andrew Cooper
2020-01-13 13:01           ` Andrew Cooper
2020-01-13 13:01           ` Andrew Cooper
2020-01-13 13:54           ` David Woodhouse
2020-01-13 13:54             ` David Woodhouse
2020-01-13 13:54             ` David Woodhouse
2020-01-13 15:02           ` Singh, Balbir
2020-01-13 15:02             ` Singh, Balbir
2020-01-13 15:02             ` Singh, Balbir

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