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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Denis V. Lunev" <den@virtuozzo.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@gmail.com>,
	"Christophe de Dinechin" <dinechin@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"John Snow" <jsnow@redhat.com>,
	"Dominik Csapak" <d.csapak@proxmox.com>
Subject: Re: Integrating QOM into QAPI (was: Making QEMU easier for management tools and applications)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 14:36:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200121143658.GB597037@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wo9lc4oe.fsf_-_@dusky.pond.sub.org>

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 02:36:17PM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Marc-André Lureau <marcandre.lureau@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 06:42:47AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> >> > Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >
> >> > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 01:15:17PM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> >> > >> Christophe de Dinechin <dinechin@redhat.com> writes:
> >> > >> >> On 15 Jan 2020, at 10:20, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> > >> * qemuMonitorJSONSetIOThread() uses it to control iothread's properties
> >> > >>   poll-max-ns, poll-grow, poll-shrink.  Their use with -object is
> >> > >>   documented (in qemu-options.hx), their use with qom-set is not.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm happy to use a different interface.
> >> > >
> >> > > Writing a boilerplate "iothread-set-poll-params" QMP command in C would
> >> > > be a step backwards.
> >> >
> >> > No argument.
> >> >
> >> > > Maybe the QAPI code generator could map something like this:
> >> > >
> >> > >   { 'command': 'iothread-set-poll-params',
> >> > >     'data': {
> >> > >         'id': 'str',
> >> > >     '*max-ns': 'uint64',
> >> > >     '*grow': 'uint64',
> >> > >     '*shrink': 'uint64'
> >> > >     },
> >> > >     'map-to-qom-set': 'IOThread'
> >> > >   }
> >> > >
> >> > > And turn it into QOM accessors on the IOThread object.
> >> >
> >> > I think a generic "set this configuration to that value" command is just
> >> > fine.  qom-set fails on several counts, though:
> >> >
> >> > * Tolerable: qom-set is not actually generic, it applies only to QOM.
> >> >
> >> > * qom-set lets you set tons of stuff that is not meant to be changed at
> >> >   run time.  If it breaks your guest, you get to keep the pieces.
> >> >
> >> > * There is virtually no documentation on what can be set to what values,
> >> >   and their semantics.
> >> >
> >> > In its current state, QOM is a user interface superfund site.
> >>
> >> Thoughts about a solution:
> >>
> >> Static QOM properties should be declared via QAPI instead of
> >> imperatively via QOM APIs.  That way they are introspectable and type
> >> information is present in the schema.
> >>
> >> The QAPI code generator could emit a function that is callable from
> >> .class_init().  This eliminates the need to manually call
> >> object_class_property_add().
> 
> We need to make up our minds what exactly we want generated.  Then we
> can design the QAPI language, and code up the generator.
> 
> Skeleton QOM type, to help with the discussion:
> 
>     #define TYPE_FOO "foo"
> 
>     #define FOO(obj) OBJECT_CHECK(Foo, (obj), TYPE_FOO)
>     #define FOO_CLASS(klass) \
>         OBJECT_CLASS_CHECK(FooClass, (klass), TYPE_FOO)
>     #define FOO_GET_CLASS(obj) \
>         OBJECT_GET_CLASS(FooClass, (obj), TYPE_FOO)
> 
>     typedef FooClass {
>         ParentClass parent_class;
>         ... // hand-written per-class state
>     }
> 
>     struct Chardev {
>         ParentObject parent_obj;
>         ... // hand-written instance (per-object) state
>     };
> 
>     static const TypeInfo char_type_info = {
>         .name = TYPE_FOO,
>         .parent = TYPE_OBJECT,
>         .instance_size = sizeof(Foo),
>         .instance_init = ...,                   // methods to initialize
>         .instance_post_init = ...,              // and finalize instances,
>         .instance_finalize = ...,               // all optional
>         .abstract = ...,                        // true or false (d'oh)
>         .class_size = sizeof(FooClass),
>         .class_init = ...,                      // methods to initialize
>         .class_base_init = ...,                 // classes, optional
>         .class_data = ...,                      // extra argument for them
>         .interfaces = ...
>     };
> 
> There's substantial boilerplate, with plenty of hand-written code in the
> gaps.  What of the boilerplate do we plan to generate?  How do we plan
> to fill the gaps, if any?

FWIW, even without a QOM generator, we can do waaaaaaay better on the
amount of boilerplate needed for QOM without very much work. It just
needs a few convenience macros writing.

QOM is not GObject, but is heavily inspired by it and so looking at
GObject gives us a design pattern we can aim to match in terms of
amount of boilerplate.

What we do manually with TypeInfo struct there has essentially always
been done by a 1 line macro in GObject:

  G_DEFINE_TYPE(virIdentity, vir_identity, G_TYPE_OBJECT)

If implementing interfaces, there's 1 extra line needed per interface
to associate them.

  https://developer.gnome.org/gobject/stable/gobject-Type-Information.html#G-DEFINE-TYPE:CAPS
  

And what we do in the header file to add the 4 or more FOO_XXX macros,
and the class struct and the object struct has recently been turned
into a 2-liner:

  #define VIR_TYPE_IDENTITY vir_identity_get_type()
  G_DECLARE_FINAL_TYPE(virIdentity, vir_identity, VIR, IDENTITY, GObject);

  https://developer.gnome.org/gobject/stable/gobject-Type-Information.html#G-DECLARE-FINAL-TYPE:CAPS

Or 

  #define VIR_TYPE_IDENTITY vir_identity_get_type()
  G_DECLARE_DERIVABLE_TYPE(virIdentity, vir_identity, VIR, IDENTITY, GObject);

  https://developer.gnome.org/gobject/stable/gobject-Type-Information.html#G-DECLARE-DERIVABLE-TYPE:CAPS


It would be nice to have a QOM code generator so that we can statically
declare properties & parent/child/interface relationships, but for an
immediate low cost win, better macros would be very useful IMHO.


Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-21 14:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-20 16:13 Making QEMU easier for management tools and applications Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-12-20 21:07 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2020-01-02 11:26   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-12-21  9:02 ` Markus Armbruster
2019-12-23 15:04   ` Michal Prívozník
2020-01-07  9:36     ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-07 10:55       ` Michal Privoznik
2020-01-07 12:57         ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-07 17:53           ` Christophe de Dinechin
2019-12-24 13:41   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-22 22:28     ` John Snow
2020-01-23  7:19       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-23 17:58         ` John Snow
2020-01-23 19:01           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-23 21:07             ` John Snow
2020-01-24  7:59               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-24 10:27                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-24 14:38                   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-24 18:23                     ` John Snow
2020-01-24 18:30                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-01-24 18:48                         ` John Snow
2020-01-24 18:52                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-01-24 18:58                             ` John Snow
2020-01-25 10:18                     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-27 10:18                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-27 12:48                         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-27 11:56                       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-27 12:04                         ` Peter Maydell
2020-01-27 20:11                         ` John Snow
2020-01-27 22:38                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-28  0:37                             ` John Snow
2020-01-28 10:16                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-28 10:39                               ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-28 15:36                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-31 12:25                                   ` Eric Blake
2020-01-28 10:28                           ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-28 12:36                             ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-28 12:54                               ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-28 13:45                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-31  6:50                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-31  7:48                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-31  8:09                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-03 20:07                                   ` Andrea Bolognani
2020-02-04  9:58                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-31 12:27                                 ` Eric Blake
2020-02-02  9:21                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-02-02 10:44                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-03  6:20                                       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-03  8:48                                         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-27 20:12                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-01-24 20:34                 ` John Snow
2020-01-27  8:35                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-27 12:13                     ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-27 16:18                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-24  9:50               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-25 11:52                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-27 10:05                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-27  8:25                 ` Tooling to help humans use JSON (was: Making QEMU easier for management tools and applications) Markus Armbruster
2020-01-27  9:06                 ` Making QEMU easier for management tools and applications Markus Armbruster
2020-01-27 10:00                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-27 14:35                 ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-27 20:29                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-01-28 10:59                     ` Kevin Wolf
2020-02-05 13:09                       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-02-05 19:09                         ` qmp-shell for GSoC/Outreachy? (Was: Re: Making QEMU easier for management tools and applications) John Snow
2020-02-05 19:49                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-02-06  9:40                             ` qmp-shell for GSoC/Outreachy? Markus Armbruster
2020-02-06 10:09                               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-02-06 12:11                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-06 12:15                                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-02-06 18:02                                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-02-07 21:03                                   ` John Snow
2020-02-08  7:17                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-06 14:21                               ` Kevin Wolf
2020-02-06 18:26                                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-02-07 10:49                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-02-07 21:23                                 ` John Snow
2020-02-08  7:25                                   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-10 11:59                                     ` Kevin Wolf
2020-02-10 12:26                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-02-06 18:18                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-02-07  7:47                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-07 21:31                                 ` Eric Blake
2020-02-08  7:34                                   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-07 21:56                                 ` John Snow
2020-02-07 20:56                               ` John Snow
2020-01-27 20:59                   ` Making QEMU easier for management tools and applications John Snow
2020-01-28 10:16                     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-28 19:21                       ` John Snow
2020-01-24  6:38           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-25 22:34           ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-01-25 11:55     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-02 14:47   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-01-16 11:03     ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2020-01-20  9:55       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-01-20 13:57         ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2020-01-25 11:41         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-27 19:41           ` John Snow
2020-01-02 15:05   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-01-13 13:44     ` Markus Armbruster
2019-12-24 13:00 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-02 14:22   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-01-22 22:42   ` John Snow
2020-01-23  7:21     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-23 10:27     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-23 18:13       ` John Snow
2020-01-23 19:12         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-02 15:10 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-01-07 17:11 ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-01-08 10:43   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-08 11:40     ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-01-08 13:38       ` Kevin Wolf
2020-01-14 13:04         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-14 17:31           ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-01-15  9:20             ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-15  9:34               ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-01-15 12:15                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-15 12:19                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-15 14:02                     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-30 21:09                       ` Improving QOM documentation [Was: Re: Making QEMU easier for management tools and applications] Kashyap Chamarthy
2020-01-31  6:11                         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-31  7:46                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-31 15:37                             ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-01-31 16:28                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-31  9:50                           ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2020-01-31 10:35                           ` Peter Maydell
2020-01-31 11:02                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-31 15:22                               ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2020-01-31 17:23                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-03  8:56                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-03  9:54                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-03 15:21                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-04  8:42                                         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-31 16:39                               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-20 10:08                   ` Making QEMU easier for management tools and applications Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-01-21  5:42                     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-21 11:32                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-01-21 12:03                         ` Marc-André Lureau
2020-01-21 13:36                           ` Integrating QOM into QAPI (was: Making QEMU easier for management tools and applications) Markus Armbruster
2020-01-21 14:36                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2020-01-21 15:01                               ` Integrating QOM into QAPI Markus Armbruster
2020-01-21 15:11                                 ` Marc-André Lureau
2020-01-21 16:21                                   ` Peter Maydell
2020-01-22  5:16                                     ` Getting whole-tree patches reviewed and merged (was: Integrating QOM into QAPI) Markus Armbruster
2020-02-07 21:53                                       ` Getting whole-tree patches reviewed and merged Eric Blake
2020-02-10 11:26                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-10 16:04                                           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-10 16:12                                             ` Peter Maydell
2020-01-22 10:50                                   ` Integrating QOM into QAPI Alex Bennée
2020-01-22 12:24                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-22 12:42                                       ` Marc-André Lureau
2020-01-22 13:28                                         ` Peter Maydell
2020-01-22 13:32                                           ` Marc-André Lureau
2020-01-23  7:37                                         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-24 18:32                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-25  4:44                                           ` Marc-André Lureau
2020-01-25  9:28                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-25 21:25                                               ` Peter Maydell
2020-01-26  8:09                                   ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-01-26  9:11                                     ` Marc-André Lureau
2020-01-26 16:47                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-27 19:05                                         ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-01-27 19:05                                       ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-01-26 15:04                                     ` Peter Maydell
2020-01-27 19:05                                       ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-01-28  8:00                                         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-28 10:03                                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-29 12:42                                           ` Christophe de Dinechin
2020-01-15  9:35               ` Making QEMU easier for management tools and applications Marc-André Lureau
2020-01-15 12:25                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-25 17:18               ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-01-27  9:30                 ` Markus Armbruster
2020-01-13 16:30   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-02-04 15:54 ` Summary of " Markus Armbruster
2020-02-05  6:38   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-10 10:56   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-02-10 11:01     ` Peter Maydell
2020-02-10 11:08       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-02-10 11:29         ` Peter Maydell
2020-02-10 11:04     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-10 16:43     ` Markus Armbruster
2020-02-12 13:54       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-02-12 14:03         ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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