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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Douglas Raillard <douglas.raillard@arm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rjw@rjwysocki.net,
	viresh.kumar@linaro.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	qperret@google.com, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 0/6] sched/cpufreq: Make schedutil energy aware
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:52:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200214125249.GL14879@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4a664419-f5a6-882f-83ee-5bbf20ff33d3@arm.com>

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 05:49:48PM +0000, Douglas Raillard wrote:
> On 2/10/20 1:21 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> > assuming cs[].cost ~ f^3, and given our cost_margin ~ f, that leaves a
> > factor f^2 on the table.
> 
> I'm guessing that you arrived to `cost_margin ~ f` this way:
> 
> cost_margin = util - util_est_enqueued
> cost_margin = util - constant
> 
> # with constant small enough
> cost_margin ~ util
> 
> # with util ~ 1/f
> cost_margin ~ 1/f
> 
> In the case you describe, `constant` is actually almost equal to `util`
> so `cost_margin ~! util`, and that series assumes frequency invariant
> util_avg so `util !~ 1/f` (I'll probably have to fix that).

Nah, perhaps already clear from the other email; but it goes like:

  boost = util_avg - util_est
  cost_margin = boost * C = C * util_avg - C * util_est

And since u ~ f (per schedutil construction), cost_margin is a function
linear in either u or f.

> > So the higher the min_freq, the less effective the boost.
> 
> Yes, since the boost is allowing a fixed amount of extra power. Higher
> OPPs are less efficient than lower ones, so if min_freq is high, we
> won't speed up as much as if min_freq was low.
> 
> > Maybe it all works out in practise, but I'm missing a big picture
> 
> Here is a big picture :)
> 
> https://gist.github.com/douglas-raillard-arm/f76586428836ec70c6db372993e0b731#file-ramp_boost-svg
> 
> The board is a Juno R0, with a periodic task pinned on a big CPU
> (capa=1024):
> * phase 1:  5% duty cycle (=51 PELT units)
> * phase 2: 75% duty cycle (=768 PELT units)
> 
> Legend:
> * blue square wave: when the task executes (like in kernelshark)
> * base_cost = cost of frequency as selected by schedutil in normal
> operations
> * allowed_cost = base_cost + cost_margin
> * util = util_avg
> 
> note: the small gaps right after the duty cycle transition between
> t=4.15 and 4.25 are due to sugov task executing, so there is no dequeue
> and no util_est update.

I'm confused by the giant drop in frequency (blue line) around 4.18

schedutil shouldn't select f < max(util_avg, util_est), which is
violated right about there.

I'm also confused by the base_cost line; how can that be flat until
somewhere around 4.16. Sadly there is no line for pure schedutil freq to
compare against.

Other than that, I can see the green line is consistent with
util_avg>util_est, and how it help grow the frequency (blue).


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-02-14 12:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-22 17:35 [RFC PATCH v4 0/6] sched/cpufreq: Make schedutil energy aware Douglas RAILLARD
2020-01-22 17:35 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/6] PM: Introduce em_pd_get_higher_freq() Douglas RAILLARD
2020-01-22 17:35 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/6] sched/cpufreq: Attach perf domain to sugov policy Douglas RAILLARD
2020-01-22 17:35 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/6] sched/cpufreq: Hook em_pd_get_higher_power() into get_next_freq() Douglas RAILLARD
2020-01-23 16:16   ` Quentin Perret
2020-01-23 17:52     ` Douglas Raillard
2020-01-24 14:37       ` Quentin Perret
2020-01-24 14:58         ` Quentin Perret
2020-02-27 15:51   ` Douglas Raillard
2020-01-22 17:35 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/6] sched/cpufreq: Introduce sugov_cpu_ramp_boost Douglas RAILLARD
2020-01-23 15:55   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-23 17:21     ` Douglas Raillard
2020-01-23 21:02       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-28 15:38         ` Douglas Raillard
2020-02-10 13:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-13 10:49     ` Douglas Raillard
2020-01-22 17:35 ` [RFC PATCH v4 5/6] sched/cpufreq: Boost schedutil frequency ramp up Douglas RAILLARD
2020-01-22 17:35 ` [RFC PATCH v4 6/6] sched/cpufreq: Add schedutil_em_tp tracepoint Douglas RAILLARD
2020-01-22 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/6] sched/cpufreq: Make schedutil energy aware Douglas Raillard
2020-02-10 13:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-13 17:49     ` Douglas Raillard
2020-02-14 12:21       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-14 12:52       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2020-03-11 12:25         ` Douglas Raillard
2020-02-14 13:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-11 12:40         ` Douglas Raillard
2020-01-23 15:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-01-23 17:16   ` Douglas Raillard
2020-02-10 13:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-13 11:55       ` Douglas Raillard
2020-02-13 13:20         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-02-27 15:50           ` Douglas Raillard
2020-01-27 17:16 ` Vincent Guittot
2020-02-10 11:37   ` Douglas Raillard

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