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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: "Dr. Greg" <greg@enjellic.com>
Cc: Nathaniel McCallum <npmccallum@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, "Christopherson,
	Sean J" <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>,
	"Huang, Haitao" <haitao.huang@intel.com>,
	andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com, tglx@linutronix.de, "Svahn,
	Kai" <kai.svahn@intel.com>,
	bp@alien8.de, Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	luto@kernel.org, kai.huang@intel.com, rientjes@google.com,
	cedric.xing@intel.com, Patrick Uiterwijk <puiterwijk@redhat.com>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v28 14/22] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:08:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200310130818.GA32334@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200307174223.GA30928@wind.enjellic.com>

On Sat, Mar 07, 2020 at 11:42:23AM -0600, Dr. Greg wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 09:07:53PM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> 
> Good morning, I hope the weekend is going well for everyone.
> 
> > Actually many people have applaused to have a small scoped, even if
> > not perfect, test program to look at how SGX works. One that is only
> > dependent on glibc. None of the selftests are meant to be production
> > peaces of code. You are getting wrong the role of the selftest in
> > the first place.
> 
> We certainly want to be counted in the camp of those who are
> applausing you for making the selftests available, particularly the
> new VDSO setup and entry code.
> 
> We arguably have similar motivations.  We architected and authored an
> entire SGX runtime that has as its only dependencies the MUSL C
> library, libelf and OpenSSL, primarily because we needed an easily
> auditable and low footprint SGX implementation.

Good to hear!

> To the point at hand though, I'm certainly not a very smart guy so I
> doubt that I am able to understand the role of the selftests.  We do
> seem to agree though that they only provide a rudimentary exercise of
> the driver.

The role of kselftests is not to be production code. They are somewhat
adhoc pieces of code that just check that "things turn on" e.g. in a
new kernel release or a new hardware platform.

> We also seem to agree that the primary role of the driver is to
> service the needs of those of us that are building production level
> SGX runtime stacks.  In service of that premise, it would be helpful
> to know if you are internally testing the driver/VDSO against enclaves
> of production quality, with metadata, or just the two page selftest
> enclave.

I do agree that a more complete test suite would be an essential thing
to have. In that I'd just use the SDK and implement it outside the
kernel tree.

Unfortunately I do not have time to implement such.

/Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-10 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-03 23:35 [PATCH v28 00/22] Intel SGX foundations Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 01/22] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 02/22] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Add Intel SGX hardware bits Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 03/22] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Intel SGX Launch Control " Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 04/22] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Signal SIGSEGV with PF_SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 05/22] x86/sgx: Add SGX microarchitectural data structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 06/22] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:14   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 07/22] x86/cpu/intel: Detect SGX supprt Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-11 17:03     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 08/22] x86/sgx: Enumerate and track EPC sections Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 09/22] x86/sgx: Add functions to allocate and free EPC pages Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 10/22] mm: Introduce vm_ops->may_mprotect() Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 11/22] x86/sgx: Linux Enclave Driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-05 17:40   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-05 18:24     ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-05 19:04       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-06 19:00       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-19 18:22         ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 18:58     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 12/22] docs: x86/sgx: Document SGX micro architecture and kernel internals Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 13/22] selftests/x86: Recurse into subdirectories Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 14/22] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:27   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-05 11:33     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-06 15:42       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 19:07         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-07 17:42           ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-10 13:08             ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2020-03-11 13:28       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 16:40         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 19:24           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:44   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-04 19:51   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-06  5:32   ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 19:04     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-10 19:29     ` Haitao Huang
2020-03-11  9:13       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-11 17:15         ` Haitao Huang
2020-03-17  1:07       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 15/22] x86/sgx: Add provisioning Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 16/22] x86/sgx: Add a page reclaimer Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-05 19:03   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-06 18:47     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-12 18:38       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-15  0:27         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-15  1:17           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:16   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 17/22] x86/sgx: ptrace() support for the SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 18/22] x86/vdso: Add support for exception fixup in vDSO functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 19/22] x86/fault: Add helper function to sanitize error code Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 20/22] x86/traps: Attempt to fixup exceptions in vDSO before signaling Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 21/22] x86/vdso: Implement a vDSO for Intel SGX enclave call Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 17:30   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-11 17:38     ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-11 19:15       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 15:48       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 16:46         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 18:32           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 18:44             ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 20:14               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 22:08                 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-14 14:10                   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-18 23:40                     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-19  0:38                       ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-19  1:03                         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-20 13:55                       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-15  1:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-15 17:53       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 13:31         ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-16 13:57           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 13:59             ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-16 14:03               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 17:17                 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 21:27             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 21:29               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 22:55           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 23:56             ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-18 22:01               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-18 22:18                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 13:56         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 14:01           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 21:38             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 22:53               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 23:50                 ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-16 23:59                   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17  0:18                     ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17  0:27                       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 16:37                         ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:50                       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 21:40                         ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17 22:09                           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 22:36                             ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17 23:57                               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 22:23                         ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-18 13:01                           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-20 15:53                             ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:28                 ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-18 22:58                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-18 22:39                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 19:30   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13  0:52     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 16:07       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 16:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 22/22] selftests/x86: Add vDSO selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:24 ` [PATCH v28 00/22] Intel SGX foundations Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:00 ` Jordan Hand
2020-03-18 21:56   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-19 17:16   ` Dr. Greg

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