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From: Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>
To: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
Cc: Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 11:46:12 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200331034612.GB83248@dhcp-128-65.nay.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2bdfbb1c-49da-d476-4a38-f91937105ae3@arm.com>

Hi James,
On 03/30/20 at 06:17pm, James Morse wrote:
> Hi Baoquan,
> 
> On 3/30/20 2:55 PM, Baoquan He wrote:
> > On 03/26/20 at 06:07pm, James Morse wrote:
> >> arm64 recently queued support for memory hotremove, which led to some
> >> new corner cases for kexec.
> >>
> >> If the kexec segments are loaded for a removable region, that region may
> >> be removed before kexec actually occurs. This causes the first kernel to
> >> lockup when applying the relocations. (I've triggered this on x86 too).
> >>
> >> The first patch adds a memory notifier for kexec so that it can refuse
> >> to allow in-use regions to be taken offline.
> > 
> > I talked about this with Dave Young. Currently, we tend to use
> > kexec_file_load more in the future since most of its implementation is
> > in kernel, we can get information about kernel more easilier. For the
> > kexec kernel loaded into hotpluggable area, we can fix it in
> > kexec_file_load side, we know the MOVABLE zone's start and end. As for
> > the old kexec_load, we would like to keep it for back compatibility. At
> > least in our distros, we have switched to kexec_file_load, will
> > gradually obsolete kexec_load.
> 
> > So for this one, I suggest avoiding those
> > MOVZBLE memory region when searching place for kexec kernel.
> 
> How does today's user-space know?
> 
> 
> > Not sure if arm64 will still have difficulty.
> 
> arm64 added support for kexec_load first, then kexec_file_load. (evidently a
> mistake).
> kexec_file_load support was only added in the last year or so, I'd hazard most
> people using this, are using the regular load kind. (and probably don't know or
> care).

I agreed that file load is still not widely used,  but in the long run
we should not maintain both of them all the future time.  Especially
when some kernel-userspace interfaces need to be introduced, file load
will have the natural advantage.  We may keep the kexec_load for other
misc usecases, but we can use file load for the major modern
linux-to-linux loading.  I'm not saying we can do it immediately, just
thought we should reduce the duplicate effort and try to avoid hacking if
possible.

Anyway about this particular issue, I wonder if we can just reload with
a udev rule as replied in another mail.

Thanks
Dave



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From: Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>
To: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
Cc: Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 11:46:12 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200331034612.GB83248@dhcp-128-65.nay.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2bdfbb1c-49da-d476-4a38-f91937105ae3@arm.com>

Hi James,
On 03/30/20 at 06:17pm, James Morse wrote:
> Hi Baoquan,
> 
> On 3/30/20 2:55 PM, Baoquan He wrote:
> > On 03/26/20 at 06:07pm, James Morse wrote:
> >> arm64 recently queued support for memory hotremove, which led to some
> >> new corner cases for kexec.
> >>
> >> If the kexec segments are loaded for a removable region, that region may
> >> be removed before kexec actually occurs. This causes the first kernel to
> >> lockup when applying the relocations. (I've triggered this on x86 too).
> >>
> >> The first patch adds a memory notifier for kexec so that it can refuse
> >> to allow in-use regions to be taken offline.
> > 
> > I talked about this with Dave Young. Currently, we tend to use
> > kexec_file_load more in the future since most of its implementation is
> > in kernel, we can get information about kernel more easilier. For the
> > kexec kernel loaded into hotpluggable area, we can fix it in
> > kexec_file_load side, we know the MOVABLE zone's start and end. As for
> > the old kexec_load, we would like to keep it for back compatibility. At
> > least in our distros, we have switched to kexec_file_load, will
> > gradually obsolete kexec_load.
> 
> > So for this one, I suggest avoiding those
> > MOVZBLE memory region when searching place for kexec kernel.
> 
> How does today's user-space know?
> 
> 
> > Not sure if arm64 will still have difficulty.
> 
> arm64 added support for kexec_load first, then kexec_file_load. (evidently a
> mistake).
> kexec_file_load support was only added in the last year or so, I'd hazard most
> people using this, are using the regular load kind. (and probably don't know or
> care).

I agreed that file load is still not widely used,  but in the long run
we should not maintain both of them all the future time.  Especially
when some kernel-userspace interfaces need to be introduced, file load
will have the natural advantage.  We may keep the kexec_load for other
misc usecases, but we can use file load for the major modern
linux-to-linux loading.  I'm not saying we can do it immediately, just
thought we should reduce the duplicate effort and try to avoid hacking if
possible.

Anyway about this particular issue, I wonder if we can just reload with
a udev rule as replied in another mail.

Thanks
Dave


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2020-03-26 18:07 [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-27  0:43   ` Anshuman Khandual
2020-03-27  0:43     ` Anshuman Khandual
2020-03-27  2:54     ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:54       ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:46     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:46       ` James Morse
2020-03-27  2:34   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:34     ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  9:30   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:30     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 16:56     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 16:56       ` James Morse
2020-03-27 17:06       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 17:06         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 18:07         ` James Morse
2020-03-27 18:07           ` James Morse
2020-03-27 18:52           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 18:52             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:00             ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:00               ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:13               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:13                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17                 ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17                   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 18:14                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 18:14                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-10 19:10                     ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-10 19:10                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-10 19:10                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-11  3:44                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  3:44                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  3:44                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  9:30                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:30                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:30                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:58                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-11  9:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-11  9:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-12  5:35                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  5:35                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  5:35                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  8:08                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12  8:08                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12  8:08                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12 19:52                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 19:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 19:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 20:37                                 ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-12 20:37                                   ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-12 20:37                                   ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-13  2:37                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13  2:37                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13  2:37                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13 13:15                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 13:15                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 13:15                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 23:01                                     ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-13 23:01                                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-13 23:01                                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-14  6:13                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:13                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:13                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:40                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:40                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:40                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  8:00                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  8:00                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  8:00                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:22                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:37                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:39                                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:49                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15  2:35                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 13:31                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:02                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:09                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:36                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:47                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:59                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:17                                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:16                                     ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:16                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:16                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                         ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                         ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  7:05                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  7:05                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  7:05                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 16:55                         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 16:55                           ` James Morse
2020-04-14 16:55                           ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:41                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 17:41                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 17:41                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:33   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:28     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:28       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:28       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:25       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 16:40         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 16:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 16:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-23 16:29           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-23 16:29             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-23 16:29             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-24  7:39             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:39               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:39               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-01 16:55           ` James Morse
2020-05-01 16:55             ` James Morse
2020-05-01 16:55             ` James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm/memory_hotplug: Allow arch override of non boot memory resource names James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-27  9:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:59     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:39     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:39       ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:23       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:23         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17         ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17           ` James Morse
2020-04-02  5:49   ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  5:49     ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  5:49     ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  6:12     ` piliu
2020-04-02  6:12       ` piliu
2020-04-02  6:12       ` piliu
2020-04-14 17:21       ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:21         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:21         ` James Morse
2020-04-15 20:36   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-05-09  0:45   ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-09  0:45     ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-09  0:45     ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-11  8:35     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-11  8:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-11  8:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] arm64: memory: Give hotplug memory a different resource name James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 19:01   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 19:01     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:37   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:37     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:37     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-03-27  2:11 ` [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:11   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:40   ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:40     ` James Morse
2020-03-27  9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:27   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:42   ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:42     ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:18     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:18       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:55 ` Baoquan He
2020-03-30 13:55   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-30 17:17   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17     ` James Morse
2020-03-31  3:46     ` Dave Young [this message]
2020-03-31  3:46       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14 17:31       ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:31         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:31         ` James Morse
2020-03-31  3:38 ` Dave Young
2020-03-31  3:38   ` Dave Young
2020-04-15 20:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14   ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 13:04     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 13:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 13:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:40       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:40         ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:40         ` James Morse

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