From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874CBC43331 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FF3420838 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=redhat.com header.i=@redhat.com header.b="MwS+rkZo" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 4FF3420838 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Received: from localhost ([::1]:37134 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jJFxO-0004uC-Ep for qemu-devel@archiver.kernel.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 08:25:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35057) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jJFwc-0003rs-LJ for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 08:24:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jJFwa-0002If-Gv for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 08:24:37 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com ([207.211.31.120]:36473 helo=us-smtp-1.mimecast.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jJFwZ-0002Fz-6T for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 08:24:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1585657473; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=qns4HGR/d6XW4WCB/3wHbPhCk7MBnRIK91j3WGKWE+I=; b=MwS+rkZoTS5QUGbfRH3yERcirqdNhzGyUkZdNIDKURdmUwA8f50dI+UFFIObS/IgbeQkmt 6K40daFxCa79uS8QKUTBMP+y+UmuxSRVr2I56wtPyrAD3nGvuVSykmqEYtlgtWHZEWlMBE GqXsvvzeaFWRzniXafQeLNe8uI1R4/M= Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-11-bH-I0RoWPGycuSBhyk-gUA-1; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 08:24:31 -0400 X-MC-Unique: bH-I0RoWPGycuSBhyk-gUA-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF7438010C8; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from linux.fritz.box (ovpn-114-236.ams2.redhat.com [10.36.114.236]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C91C5D9CA; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 14:24:28 +0200 From: Kevin Wolf To: Peter Maydell Subject: Re: deprecation of in-tree builds Message-ID: <20200331122428.GD7030@linux.fritz.box> References: <87v9mmug73.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> <20200330134212.GO236854@redhat.com> <20200330143759.GD6139@linux.fritz.box> <20200331120220.GA7030@linux.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.14 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 207.211.31.120 X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Paolo Bonzini , Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=2E_Berrang=E9?= , Markus Armbruster , QEMU Developers Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" Am 31.03.2020 um 14:05 hat Peter Maydell geschrieben: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 13:02, Kevin Wolf wrote: > > Mainly because it allows me to start everything (most importantly: my > > editor, git and make) from the same directory. >=20 > You can use 'make -C build/whatever' to avoid having to change directory. Which is about five times as long as 'make'. I'm not sure what the problem would be with a Makefile in the source tree that just calls make in the build directory? It's convenient and doesn't hurt anyone who prefers to work directly in the build directory. > The odd one out here is configure, where you have to say > (cd build/whatever && ../../configure ...) > I have occasionally wondered if we should add an equivalent to > make's -C option to configure, but AFAIX autoconf-configures don't > have it, so it would be an odd non-standardism. Well, not allowing in-tree builds is an odd non-standardism, too, so I think some more non-standardisms to make it more bearable wouldn't be too bad. Kevin