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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
To: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
Cc: Sergei Trofimovich <slyfox@gentoo.org>,
	Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] x86: fix early boot crash on gcc-10
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 11:09:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200417090909.GC7322@zn.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200417085859.GU2424@tucnak>

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:58:59AM +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:42:24AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 10:07:26AM +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
> > > If you want minimal changes, you can as I said earlier either
> > > mark cpu_startup_entry noreturn (in the declaration in some header so that
> > > smpboot.c sees it), or you could add something after the cpu_startup_entry
> > > call to ensure it is not tail call optimized (e.g. just
> > > 	/* Prevent tail call to cpu_startup_entry because the stack
> > > 	   protector guard has been changed in the middle of this function
> > > 	   and must not be checked before tail calling another function.  */
> > > 	asm ("");
> > 
> > That sounds ok-ish to me too.
> > 
> > I know you probably can't tell the future :) but what stops gcc from
> > doing the tail-call optimization in the future?
> > 
> > Or are optimization decisions behind an inline asm a no-no and will
> > pretty much always stay that way?
> 
> GCC intentionally treats asm as a black box, the only thing which it does
> with it is: non-volatile asm (but asm without outputs is implicitly
> volatile) can be CSEd, and if the compiler needs to estimate size, it
> uses some heuristics by counting ; and newlines.
> And it will stay this way.
> 
> > And I hope the clang folks don't come around and say, err, nope, we're
> > much more aggressive here.
> 
> Unlike GCC, I think clang uses the builtin assembler to parse the string,
> but don't know if it still treats the asms more like black boxes or not.
> Certainly there is a lot of code in the wild that uses inline asm
> as optimization barriers, so if it doesn't, then it would cause a lot of
> problems.
> 
> Or go with the for (;;);, I don't think any compiler optimizes those away;
> GCC 10 for C++ can optimize away infinite loops that have some conditional
> exit because the language guarantees forward progress, but the C language
> rules are different and for unconditional infinite loops GCC doesn't
> optimize them away even if explicitly asked to -ffinite-loops.

Lemme add Nick for clang for an opinion:

Nick, we're discussing what would be the cleanest and future-proof
way to disable stack protector for the function in the kernel which
generates the canary value as gcc10 ends up checking that value due to
tail-call optimizing the last function called by start_secondary()...
upthread are all the details.

And question is, can Jakub's suggestions above prevent tail-call
optimization on clang too and how reliable and future proof would that
be if we end up going that way?

Thx.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

https://people.kernel.org/tglx/notes-about-netiquette

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-17  9:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-14 16:44 [PATCH] x86: fix early boot crash on gcc-10 Sergei Trofimovich
2020-03-16 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-16 13:26   ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-03-16 13:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-16 17:54       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-03-16 18:03         ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-03-17 14:36           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-03-17 14:39             ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-03-17 14:49               ` Borislav Petkov
2020-03-17 16:35                 ` David Laight
2020-03-25 13:31                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-03-26 21:54                   ` Sergei Trofimovich
2020-03-26 22:35                     ` Borislav Petkov
2020-03-28  8:48                       ` [PATCH v2] " Sergei Trofimovich
2020-04-13 14:15                         ` [tip: x86/urgent] x86: Fix " tip-bot2 for Sergei Trofimovich
2020-04-13 16:35                         ` [PATCH v2] x86: fix " Borislav Petkov
2020-04-14 13:50                           ` Michael Matz
2020-04-15  7:48                             ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-15 14:53                               ` Michael Matz
2020-04-15 22:19                                 ` Sergei Trofimovich
2020-04-17  7:57                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-17  8:07                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-17  8:42                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-17  8:58                                         ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-17  9:09                                           ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2020-04-17 18:15                                             ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-17 18:22                                               ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-17 19:06                                                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-17 19:49                                                   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-17 19:53                                                     ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-20 14:04                                                     ` Michael Matz
2020-04-22 10:23                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-22 11:40                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-22 13:49                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-22 13:55                                                             ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-22 14:16                                                               ` Martin Liška
2020-04-22 15:06                                                                 ` Michael Matz
2020-04-22 16:53                                                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-22 17:02                                                                   ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-04-22 18:47                                                                   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-22 18:55                                                         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-22 19:21                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-22 21:05                                                             ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-22 21:26                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-22 22:57                                                                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-23 12:53                                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-23 16:12                                                                     ` [PATCH] x86: Fix early boot crash on gcc-10, next try Borislav Petkov
2020-04-23 17:30                                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-23 18:02                                                                         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-04-23 18:27                                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-27 11:37                                                                         ` [tip: x86/build] x86/build: Check whether the compiler is sane tip-bot2 for Borislav Petkov
2020-04-23 19:40                                                                       ` [PATCH] x86: Fix early boot crash on gcc-10, next try Kees Cook
2020-04-25  1:46                                                                       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-25  8:57                                                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 11:09                                                                           ` Jürgen Groß
2020-04-25 15:04                                                                           ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-25 15:04                                                                             ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-25 17:31                                                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 17:31                                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 17:52                                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 17:52                                                                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-27 17:07                                                                                 ` David Laight
2020-04-27 17:07                                                                                   ` David Laight
2020-04-25 18:37                                                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-25 18:37                                                                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-25 18:53                                                                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 18:53                                                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 19:15                                                                                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-25 19:15                                                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-25 22:17                                                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 22:17                                                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-04-25 22:25                                                                                     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-25 22:25                                                                                       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-17 10:38                                           ` [PATCH v2] x86: fix early boot crash on gcc-10 Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-18 13:12                                             ` David Laight
2020-04-17 10:41                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-03-16 18:20         ` [PATCH] " Arvind Sankar
2020-03-16 18:54           ` Arvind Sankar
2020-03-16 19:53             ` Arvind Sankar
2020-03-16 20:08               ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-03-16 20:40                 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-03-16 22:12     ` Sergei Trofimovich
2020-03-17 11:46       ` Jakub Jelinek
2020-03-17 18:10         ` Sergei Trofimovich
2020-03-16 18:22 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-03-26 23:16 ` [PATCH v2] " Sergei Trofimovich
2020-04-27 11:37 ` [tip: x86/build] x86: Fix early boot crash on gcc-10, next try tip-bot2 for Borislav Petkov
2020-05-15 11:20 ` [tip: x86/urgent] x86: Fix early boot crash on gcc-10, third try tip-bot2 for Borislav Petkov
2020-05-19 11:49   ` Sasha Levin

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