From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A840CC47254 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 13:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B73620735 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 13:06:35 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1588683995; bh=Lo70slr8q6hVZZOfAFrq+LmfcmXfJzU5tcB7s2flPV4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:List-ID:From; b=u2gWAX7GP4q4FM2wzB6BaWqjsU3RNNw4nf2+j+tq1eHdLVAcAERKb6NDsNFgiofl1 IZYLAH3xRLeEmczbwo2hf4k5+ypo/cgOQh4bH95Y1YuSwu0DCZ7rYiXglSZ03S2D3d jzMbw0ZOKafJ3v58hghPr1cGpQxusWhK4NjSWRcA= Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728608AbgEENGf (ORCPT ); Tue, 5 May 2020 09:06:35 -0400 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:48438 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728497AbgEENGe (ORCPT ); Tue, 5 May 2020 09:06:34 -0400 Received: from willie-the-truck (236.31.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.31.236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21234206B9; Tue, 5 May 2020 13:06:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1588683994; bh=Lo70slr8q6hVZZOfAFrq+LmfcmXfJzU5tcB7s2flPV4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=K8IeRlm35Jw/eqhHnmoO30n1tRbJbzSYo/hks7+igLHvWYOrUkLsNjIy28BG4ZV0Y ZcE7aM+v3Sil2baOxCPlJFgtl/a+Rm2Fat945rarisdb4FsOfiRP4S9+w0eFr4LPTf LXRd2qdFPmDXwCT1mm0TNKF4k39CvvqUYCeXLH+4= Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 14:06:30 +0100 From: Will Deacon To: Russell King - ARM Linux admin Cc: Dave Martin , linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Catalin Marinas , Michael Kerrisk , Vincenzo Frascino , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: RFC: Adding arch-specific user ABI documentation in linux-man Message-ID: <20200505130629.GK19710@willie-the-truck> References: <20200504153214.GH30377@arm.com> <20200505104454.GC19710@willie-the-truck> <20200505124351.GF1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200505124351.GF1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-man-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 01:43:51PM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux admin wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:44:55AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote: > > Michael has been nagging me on and off about that for, what, 10 years now? > > I would therefore be very much in favour of having our ptrace extensions > > documented! > > > > We could even put this stuff under Documentation/arm64/man/ if it's deemed > > too CPU-specific for the man-pages project, but my preference would still > > be for it to be hosted there alongside all the other man pages. > > Stuffing random things into the kernel tree is painful for some people. > > For example, if you cross-build your kernel, then the stuff in the > tools/ subdirectory is totally useless (I think everything except > perf) because you can't build it. > > Let's stop making the mistake of constantly shoving stuff into the > kernel source tree. For userspace tools, I'm inclined to agree, but this is just documentation so it shouldn't cause any issues with cross building. But to be clear: I'd still prefer it to be part of the man-pages project, and would only consider it for inclusion in the kernel tree if it was rejected for being too CPU-specific. Will From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADB3C47254 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 13:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [198.137.202.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2BAA20735 for ; Tue, 5 May 2020 13:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lists.infradead.org header.i=@lists.infradead.org header.b="coPjoB4g"; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="K8IeRlm3" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org E2BAA20735 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=kernel.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-arm-kernel-bounces+infradead-linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=bombadil.20170209; h=Sender: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Cc:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post: List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:References: Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: List-Owner; bh=12V71+70y1TU3eEyO61ns/OGSGsh7uT2cnb4SG0FPec=; b=coPjoB4g+004MN glT7hWgFx+aGjikOMyYFv4SJ1TRbcJGPdHwxmnnKtChHfWcZprWla+tAoyfVcsRttk7H2tmZmc1ux 97MKmFB0VIwXmLgoEAjCJQ/oxxtL5nTnCt5zHT27vqVioluP5tDIPtEENFo1My3zEIoXHrI/WyPHp aSzvgFfm6vZhzqXPMnf4zDVWXSWghBRiJcSBAn6b5Xv6itQEpooVFZjlqcd42TYTCpbNLrjDUTWQF Ng3OaJpPDwR41TRQo1xzPdhmfGL/t5YFJ7ge422mEOSV5kSpm0BBfEFazv9xDV08Pk9C5OtxxfJy2 fgVAiVzmnPkFimboFZHw==; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=bombadil.infradead.org) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1jVxHR-00021U-Gc; Tue, 05 May 2020 13:06:37 +0000 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1jVxHO-00020u-Q7 for linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 13:06:36 +0000 Received: from willie-the-truck (236.31.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.31.236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21234206B9; Tue, 5 May 2020 13:06:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1588683994; bh=Lo70slr8q6hVZZOfAFrq+LmfcmXfJzU5tcB7s2flPV4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=K8IeRlm35Jw/eqhHnmoO30n1tRbJbzSYo/hks7+igLHvWYOrUkLsNjIy28BG4ZV0Y ZcE7aM+v3Sil2baOxCPlJFgtl/a+Rm2Fat945rarisdb4FsOfiRP4S9+w0eFr4LPTf LXRd2qdFPmDXwCT1mm0TNKF4k39CvvqUYCeXLH+4= Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 14:06:30 +0100 From: Will Deacon To: Russell King - ARM Linux admin Subject: Re: RFC: Adding arch-specific user ABI documentation in linux-man Message-ID: <20200505130629.GK19710@willie-the-truck> References: <20200504153214.GH30377@arm.com> <20200505104454.GC19710@willie-the-truck> <20200505124351.GF1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200505124351.GF1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20200505_060634_861999_9EDB5854 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 15.22 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Catalin Marinas , Michael Kerrisk , Vincenzo Frascino , Dave Martin , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+infradead-linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 01:43:51PM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux admin wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 11:44:55AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote: > > Michael has been nagging me on and off about that for, what, 10 years now? > > I would therefore be very much in favour of having our ptrace extensions > > documented! > > > > We could even put this stuff under Documentation/arm64/man/ if it's deemed > > too CPU-specific for the man-pages project, but my preference would still > > be for it to be hosted there alongside all the other man pages. > > Stuffing random things into the kernel tree is painful for some people. > > For example, if you cross-build your kernel, then the stuff in the > tools/ subdirectory is totally useless (I think everything except > perf) because you can't build it. > > Let's stop making the mistake of constantly shoving stuff into the > kernel source tree. For userspace tools, I'm inclined to agree, but this is just documentation so it shouldn't cause any issues with cross building. But to be clear: I'd still prefer it to be part of the man-pages project, and would only consider it for inclusion in the kernel tree if it was rejected for being too CPU-specific. Will _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel