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* [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
@ 2020-05-12 10:59 Sakari Ailus
  2020-05-18  9:50 ` Hans Verkuil
  2020-05-20  0:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Sakari Ailus @ 2020-05-12 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-media; +Cc: laurent.pinchart, hverkuil, bingbu.cao, Maxime Ripard

While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
are the practices, why, and where they apply.

Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
---
The HTML documentation can be found here:

<URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>

 .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
 Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
 Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
 3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
 create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst

diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
new file mode 100644
index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
--- /dev/null
+++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
@@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
+.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
+
+Writing camera sensor drivers
+=============================
+
+CSI-2
+-----
+
+Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.
+
+Handling clocks
+---------------
+
+Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
+divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
+input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
+and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
+firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.
+
+The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
+come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be
+used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
+elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
+user.
+
+Frame size
+----------
+
+There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
+sensors.
+
+Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
+processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
+scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
+of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
+
+An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
+
+Register list based drivers
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device
+they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
+configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
+level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the
+format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
+
+Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g. 
+drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
+
+Frame interval configuration
+----------------------------
+
+There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
+intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
+depends on the type of the device.
+
+Raw camera sensors
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is
+a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
+specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
+less all modern raw camera sensors.
+
+The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
+
+	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
+			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
+
+The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
+large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
+crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.
+
+Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
+``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
+pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
+unit of that control is Hz.
+
+Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
+purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the
+device's internal processing pipeline.
+
+The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
+be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
+skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.
+
+USB cameras etc. devices
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
+control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
+on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
+exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
+interval on these devices.
diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
index e111ff7bfd3d..da8b356389f0 100644
--- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
+++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
@@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
 .. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
 
+.. _MIPI_CSI_2:
+
 MIPI CSI-2
 ==========
 
diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
index 328350924853..c140692454b1 100644
--- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
+++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
@@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ Please see:
     mc-core
     cec-core
     csi2
+    camera-sensor
 
     drivers/index
 
-- 
2.20.1


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* Re: [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
  2020-05-12 10:59 [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers Sakari Ailus
@ 2020-05-18  9:50 ` Hans Verkuil
  2020-05-18 10:35   ` Sakari Ailus
  2020-05-20  0:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Hans Verkuil @ 2020-05-18  9:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sakari Ailus, linux-media
  Cc: laurent.pinchart, bingbu.cao, Maxime Ripard, Sowjanya Komatineni

On 12/05/2020 12:59, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
> formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
> are the practices, why, and where they apply.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
> ---
> The HTML documentation can be found here:
> 
> <URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>
> 
>  .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
>  Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
>  Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
>  3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
> +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> +
> +Writing camera sensor drivers
> +=============================
> +
> +CSI-2
> +-----
> +
> +Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.
> +
> +Handling clocks
> +---------------
> +
> +Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
> +divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
> +input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
> +and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
> +firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.
> +
> +The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
> +come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be
> +used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
> +elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
> +user.
> +
> +Frame size
> +----------
> +
> +There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
> +sensors.
> +
> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
> +processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
> +scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
> +of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
> +
> +An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
> +
> +Register list based drivers
> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device
> +they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
> +configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
> +level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the
> +format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
> +
> +Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g. 
> +drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
> +
> +Frame interval configuration
> +----------------------------
> +
> +There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
> +intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
> +depends on the type of the device.
> +
> +Raw camera sensors
> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is
> +a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
> +specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
> +less all modern raw camera sensors.
> +
> +The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
> +
> +	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
> +			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
> +
> +The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
> +large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
> +crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.
> +
> +Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
> +``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
> +pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
> +unit of that control is Hz.
> +
> +Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
> +purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the
> +device's internal processing pipeline.
> +
> +The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
> +be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
> +skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.
> +
> +USB cameras etc. devices
> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
> +control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
> +on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
> +exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
> +interval on these devices.
> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> index e111ff7bfd3d..da8b356389f0 100644
> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
>  .. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
>  
> +.. _MIPI_CSI_2:
> +
>  MIPI CSI-2
>  ==========
>  
> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> index 328350924853..c140692454b1 100644
> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ Please see:
>      mc-core
>      cec-core
>      csi2
> +    camera-sensor
>  
>      drivers/index
>  
> 

Can you add a section on power management? I've CC-ed Sowjanya as well, since she
had some questions about that (off-line), and I don't know the answer on the right
way to handle power management for sensors.

Regards,

	Hans

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* Re: [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
  2020-05-18  9:50 ` Hans Verkuil
@ 2020-05-18 10:35   ` Sakari Ailus
  2020-05-18 15:19     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Sakari Ailus @ 2020-05-18 10:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hans Verkuil
  Cc: linux-media, laurent.pinchart, bingbu.cao, Maxime Ripard,
	Sowjanya Komatineni

Hi Hans,

Thanks for the review.

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:50:34AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> On 12/05/2020 12:59, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> > While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
> > formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
> > are the practices, why, and where they apply.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
> > ---
> > The HTML documentation can be found here:
> > 
> > <URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>
> > 
> >  .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
> >  Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
> >  Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
> >  3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
> >  create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> > 
> > diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> > new file mode 100644
> > index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
> > --- /dev/null
> > +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> > @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
> > +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> > +
> > +Writing camera sensor drivers
> > +=============================
> > +
> > +CSI-2
> > +-----
> > +
> > +Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.
> > +
> > +Handling clocks
> > +---------------
> > +
> > +Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
> > +divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
> > +input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
> > +and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
> > +firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.
> > +
> > +The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
> > +come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be
> > +used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
> > +elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
> > +user.
> > +
> > +Frame size
> > +----------
> > +
> > +There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
> > +sensors.
> > +
> > +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
> > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > +
> > +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
> > +processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
> > +scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
> > +of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
> > +
> > +An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
> > +
> > +Register list based drivers
> > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > +
> > +Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device
> > +they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
> > +configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
> > +level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the
> > +format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
> > +
> > +Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g. 
> > +drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
> > +
> > +Frame interval configuration
> > +----------------------------
> > +
> > +There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
> > +intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
> > +depends on the type of the device.
> > +
> > +Raw camera sensors
> > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > +
> > +Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is
> > +a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
> > +specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
> > +less all modern raw camera sensors.
> > +
> > +The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
> > +
> > +	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
> > +			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
> > +
> > +The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
> > +large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
> > +crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.
> > +
> > +Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
> > +``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
> > +pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
> > +unit of that control is Hz.
> > +
> > +Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
> > +purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the
> > +device's internal processing pipeline.
> > +
> > +The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
> > +be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
> > +skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.
> > +
> > +USB cameras etc. devices
> > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > +
> > +USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
> > +control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
> > +on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
> > +exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
> > +interval on these devices.
> > diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> > index e111ff7bfd3d..da8b356389f0 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> > +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> > @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
> >  .. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> >  
> > +.. _MIPI_CSI_2:
> > +
> >  MIPI CSI-2
> >  ==========
> >  
> > diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> > index 328350924853..c140692454b1 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> > +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> > @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ Please see:
> >      mc-core
> >      cec-core
> >      csi2
> > +    camera-sensor
> >  
> >      drivers/index
> >  
> > 
> 
> Can you add a section on power management? I've CC-ed Sowjanya as well, since she
> had some questions about that (off-line), and I don't know the answer on the right
> way to handle power management for sensors.

Sure. There's nothing special in here per se, but given the history and
interaction with the control framework it's worth documenting that
separately. Many drivers are also being used on both ACPI and DT that makes
the drivers somewhat more convoluted.

-- 
Kind regards,

Sakari Ailus

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* Re: [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
  2020-05-18 10:35   ` Sakari Ailus
@ 2020-05-18 15:19     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
  2020-05-19 22:50       ` Sakari Ailus
  2020-05-19 22:53       ` Laurent Pinchart
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Sowjanya Komatineni @ 2020-05-18 15:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sakari Ailus, Hans Verkuil
  Cc: linux-media, laurent.pinchart, bingbu.cao, Maxime Ripard


On 5/18/20 3:35 AM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> Hi Hans,
>
> Thanks for the review.
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:50:34AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
>> On 12/05/2020 12:59, Sakari Ailus wrote:
>>> While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
>>> formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
>>> are the practices, why, and where they apply.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
>>> ---
>>> The HTML documentation can be found here:
>>>
>>> <URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>
>>>
>>>   .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
>>>   Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
>>>   Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
>>>   3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
>>>   create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
>>>
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
>>> new file mode 100644
>>> index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
>>> --- /dev/null
>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
>>> @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
>>> +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
>>> +
>>> +Writing camera sensor drivers
>>> +=============================
>>> +
>>> +CSI-2
>>> +-----
>>> +
>>> +Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.
>>> +
>>> +Handling clocks
>>> +---------------
>>> +
>>> +Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
>>> +divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
>>> +input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
>>> +and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
>>> +firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.
>>> +
>>> +The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
>>> +come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be
>>> +used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
>>> +elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
>>> +user.
>>> +
>>> +Frame size
>>> +----------
>>> +
>>> +There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
>>> +sensors.
>>> +
>>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> +
>>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
>>> +processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
>>> +scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
>>> +of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
>>> +
>>> +An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
>>> +
>>> +Register list based drivers
>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> +
>>> +Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device
>>> +they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
>>> +configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
>>> +level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the
>>> +format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
>>> +
>>> +Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g.
>>> +drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
>>> +
>>> +Frame interval configuration
>>> +----------------------------
>>> +
>>> +There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
>>> +intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
>>> +depends on the type of the device.
>>> +
>>> +Raw camera sensors
>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> +
>>> +Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is
>>> +a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
>>> +specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
>>> +less all modern raw camera sensors.
>>> +
>>> +The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
>>> +
>>> +	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
>>> +			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
>>> +
>>> +The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
>>> +large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
>>> +crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.
>>> +
>>> +Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
>>> +``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
>>> +pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
>>> +unit of that control is Hz.
>>> +
>>> +Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
>>> +purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the
>>> +device's internal processing pipeline.
>>> +
>>> +The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
>>> +be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
>>> +skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.
>>> +
>>> +USB cameras etc. devices
>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> +
>>> +USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
>>> +control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
>>> +on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
>>> +exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
>>> +interval on these devices.
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
>>> index e111ff7bfd3d..da8b356389f0 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
>>> @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
>>>   .. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
>>>   
>>> +.. _MIPI_CSI_2:
>>> +
>>>   MIPI CSI-2
>>>   ==========
>>>   
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
>>> index 328350924853..c140692454b1 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
>>> @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ Please see:
>>>       mc-core
>>>       cec-core
>>>       csi2
>>> +    camera-sensor
>>>   
>>>       drivers/index
>>>   
>>>
>> Can you add a section on power management? I've CC-ed Sowjanya as well, since she
>> had some questions about that (off-line), and I don't know the answer on the right
>> way to handle power management for sensors.
> Sure. There's nothing special in here per se, but given the history and
> interaction with the control framework it's worth documenting that
> separately. Many drivers are also being used on both ACPI and DT that makes
> the drivers somewhat more convoluted.


Hi Sakari,

Are there any generic implementation guidelines for sensor drivers 
regarding keeping pads in LP-11 when they are powered on and not being used?

Also is it mandatory for sensor drivers to implement s_power callback 
where during on time it powers on and keeps pads in LP-11 state?

I see some sensor drivers have RPM enabled and keep sensor power on only 
when they are being used during configuring and during streaming other 
wise sensor power will be off and also not all drivers have s_power 
callback implemented and some drivers with s_power implemented does only 
power on but does not keep pads in LP-11.

Reason for asking is for Tegra CSI receiver, we need to perform pads 
calibration after every power on of Tegra CSI MIPI Pads.

Calibration will be done only when link is is LP-11 state.

Would like to have proper implementation for Tegra CSI MIPI pads 
calibration based on this.

Thanks

Sowjanya



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* Re: [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
  2020-05-18 15:19     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
@ 2020-05-19 22:50       ` Sakari Ailus
  2020-05-19 23:27         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
  2020-05-19 22:53       ` Laurent Pinchart
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Sakari Ailus @ 2020-05-19 22:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sowjanya Komatineni
  Cc: Hans Verkuil, linux-media, laurent.pinchart, bingbu.cao, Maxime Ripard

Hi Sowjanya,

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 08:19:55AM -0700, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
> 
> On 5/18/20 3:35 AM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> > Hi Hans,
> > 
> > Thanks for the review.
> > 
> > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:50:34AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> > > On 12/05/2020 12:59, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> > > > While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
> > > > formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
> > > > are the practices, why, and where they apply.
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
> > > > ---
> > > > The HTML documentation can be found here:
> > > > 
> > > > <URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>
> > > > 
> > > >   .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
> > > >   Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
> > > >   Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
> > > >   3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
> > > >   create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> > > > 
> > > > diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> > > > new file mode 100644
> > > > index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
> > > > --- /dev/null
> > > > +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> > > > @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
> > > > +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> > > > +
> > > > +Writing camera sensor drivers
> > > > +=============================
> > > > +
> > > > +CSI-2
> > > > +-----
> > > > +
> > > > +Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.
> > > > +
> > > > +Handling clocks
> > > > +---------------
> > > > +
> > > > +Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
> > > > +divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
> > > > +input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
> > > > +and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
> > > > +firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.
> > > > +
> > > > +The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
> > > > +come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be
> > > > +used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
> > > > +elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
> > > > +user.
> > > > +
> > > > +Frame size
> > > > +----------
> > > > +
> > > > +There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
> > > > +sensors.
> > > > +
> > > > +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
> > > > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > +
> > > > +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
> > > > +processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
> > > > +scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
> > > > +of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
> > > > +
> > > > +An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
> > > > +
> > > > +Register list based drivers
> > > > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > +
> > > > +Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device
> > > > +they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
> > > > +configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
> > > > +level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the
> > > > +format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
> > > > +
> > > > +Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g.
> > > > +drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
> > > > +
> > > > +Frame interval configuration
> > > > +----------------------------
> > > > +
> > > > +There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
> > > > +intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
> > > > +depends on the type of the device.
> > > > +
> > > > +Raw camera sensors
> > > > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > +
> > > > +Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is
> > > > +a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
> > > > +specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
> > > > +less all modern raw camera sensors.
> > > > +
> > > > +The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
> > > > +
> > > > +	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
> > > > +			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
> > > > +
> > > > +The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
> > > > +large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
> > > > +crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.
> > > > +
> > > > +Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
> > > > +``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
> > > > +pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
> > > > +unit of that control is Hz.
> > > > +
> > > > +Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
> > > > +purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the
> > > > +device's internal processing pipeline.
> > > > +
> > > > +The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
> > > > +be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
> > > > +skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.
> > > > +
> > > > +USB cameras etc. devices
> > > > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > +
> > > > +USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
> > > > +control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
> > > > +on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
> > > > +exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
> > > > +interval on these devices.
> > > > diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> > > > index e111ff7bfd3d..da8b356389f0 100644
> > > > --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> > > > +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> > > > @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
> > > >   .. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> > > > +.. _MIPI_CSI_2:
> > > > +
> > > >   MIPI CSI-2
> > > >   ==========
> > > > diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> > > > index 328350924853..c140692454b1 100644
> > > > --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> > > > +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> > > > @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ Please see:
> > > >       mc-core
> > > >       cec-core
> > > >       csi2
> > > > +    camera-sensor
> > > >       drivers/index
> > > > 
> > > Can you add a section on power management? I've CC-ed Sowjanya as well, since she
> > > had some questions about that (off-line), and I don't know the answer on the right
> > > way to handle power management for sensors.
> > Sure. There's nothing special in here per se, but given the history and
> > interaction with the control framework it's worth documenting that
> > separately. Many drivers are also being used on both ACPI and DT that makes
> > the drivers somewhat more convoluted.
> 
> 
> Hi Sakari,
> 
> Are there any generic implementation guidelines for sensor drivers regarding
> keeping pads in LP-11 when they are powered on and not being used?

That's documented in the CSI-2 document, to which this refers to.

> 
> Also is it mandatory for sensor drivers to implement s_power callback where
> during on time it powers on and keeps pads in LP-11 state?

That's a good question.

The s_power callback should not be needed for this, but in practice another
callback is required to replace it. Please see:

<URL:https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/2/18/59>

Patches are accepted to address that. The ISP (or bridge) driver would call
phy_prepare callback before starting streaming and phy_unprepare when LP-11
state is no longer needed.

> 
> I see some sensor drivers have RPM enabled and keep sensor power on only
> when they are being used during configuring and during streaming other wise
> sensor power will be off and also not all drivers have s_power callback
> implemented and some drivers with s_power implemented does only power on but
> does not keep pads in LP-11.
> 
> Reason for asking is for Tegra CSI receiver, we need to perform pads
> calibration after every power on of Tegra CSI MIPI Pads.
> 
> Calibration will be done only when link is is LP-11 state.
> 
> Would like to have proper implementation for Tegra CSI MIPI pads calibration
> based on this.

Note that not all devices support explicitly transitioning to LP-11 mode.
In this case the drivers usually start streaming and then stop. This could
be unreliable.

-- 
Regards,

Sakari Ailus

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* Re: [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
  2020-05-18 15:19     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
  2020-05-19 22:50       ` Sakari Ailus
@ 2020-05-19 22:53       ` Laurent Pinchart
  2020-05-20  0:16         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Laurent Pinchart @ 2020-05-19 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sowjanya Komatineni
  Cc: Sakari Ailus, Hans Verkuil, linux-media, bingbu.cao, Maxime Ripard

Hi Sowjanya,

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 08:19:55AM -0700, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
> On 5/18/20 3:35 AM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:50:34AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> >> On 12/05/2020 12:59, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> >>> While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
> >>> formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
> >>> are the practices, why, and where they apply.
> >>>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
> >>> ---
> >>> The HTML documentation can be found here:
> >>>
> >>> <URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>
> >>>
> >>>   .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
> >>>   Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
> >>>   Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
> >>>   3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
> >>>   create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> >>>
> >>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> >>> new file mode 100644
> >>> index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
> >>> --- /dev/null
> >>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> >>> @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
> >>> +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> >>> +
> >>> +Writing camera sensor drivers
> >>> +=============================
> >>> +
> >>> +CSI-2
> >>> +-----
> >>> +
> >>> +Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.
> >>> +
> >>> +Handling clocks
> >>> +---------------
> >>> +
> >>> +Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
> >>> +divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
> >>> +input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
> >>> +and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
> >>> +firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.
> >>> +
> >>> +The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
> >>> +come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be
> >>> +used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
> >>> +elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
> >>> +user.
> >>> +
> >>> +Frame size
> >>> +----------
> >>> +
> >>> +There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
> >>> +sensors.
> >>> +
> >>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
> >>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> +
> >>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
> >>> +processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
> >>> +scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
> >>> +of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
> >>> +
> >>> +An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
> >>> +
> >>> +Register list based drivers
> >>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> +
> >>> +Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device
> >>> +they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
> >>> +configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
> >>> +level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the
> >>> +format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
> >>> +
> >>> +Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g.
> >>> +drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
> >>> +
> >>> +Frame interval configuration
> >>> +----------------------------
> >>> +
> >>> +There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
> >>> +intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
> >>> +depends on the type of the device.
> >>> +
> >>> +Raw camera sensors
> >>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> +
> >>> +Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is
> >>> +a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
> >>> +specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
> >>> +less all modern raw camera sensors.
> >>> +
> >>> +The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
> >>> +
> >>> +	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
> >>> +			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
> >>> +
> >>> +The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
> >>> +large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
> >>> +crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.
> >>> +
> >>> +Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
> >>> +``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
> >>> +pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
> >>> +unit of that control is Hz.
> >>> +
> >>> +Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
> >>> +purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the
> >>> +device's internal processing pipeline.
> >>> +
> >>> +The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
> >>> +be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
> >>> +skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.
> >>> +
> >>> +USB cameras etc. devices
> >>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> +
> >>> +USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
> >>> +control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
> >>> +on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
> >>> +exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
> >>> +interval on these devices.
> >>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> >>> index e111ff7bfd3d..da8b356389f0 100644
> >>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> >>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> >>> @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
> >>>   .. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> >>>   
> >>> +.. _MIPI_CSI_2:
> >>> +
> >>>   MIPI CSI-2
> >>>   ==========
> >>>   
> >>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> >>> index 328350924853..c140692454b1 100644
> >>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> >>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> >>> @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ Please see:
> >>>       mc-core
> >>>       cec-core
> >>>       csi2
> >>> +    camera-sensor
> >>>   
> >>>       drivers/index
> >>>   
> >>
> >> Can you add a section on power management? I've CC-ed Sowjanya as well, since she
> >> had some questions about that (off-line), and I don't know the answer on the right
> >> way to handle power management for sensors.
> >
> > Sure. There's nothing special in here per se, but given the history and
> > interaction with the control framework it's worth documenting that
> > separately. Many drivers are also being used on both ACPI and DT that makes
> > the drivers somewhat more convoluted.
> 
> Hi Sakari,
> 
> Are there any generic implementation guidelines for sensor drivers 
> regarding keeping pads in LP-11 when they are powered on and not being used?
> 
> Also is it mandatory for sensor drivers to implement s_power callback 
> where during on time it powers on and keeps pads in LP-11 state?
> 
> I see some sensor drivers have RPM enabled and keep sensor power on only 
> when they are being used during configuring and during streaming other 
> wise sensor power will be off and also not all drivers have s_power 
> callback implemented and some drivers with s_power implemented does only 
> power on but does not keep pads in LP-11.
> 
> Reason for asking is for Tegra CSI receiver, we need to perform pads 
> calibration after every power on of Tegra CSI MIPI Pads.
> 
> Calibration will be done only when link is is LP-11 state.
> 
> Would like to have proper implementation for Tegra CSI MIPI pads 
> calibration based on this.

I came across a similar issue recently with the i.MX6 CSI-2 receiver,
when used with an MT9M114 sensor. The MT9M114 drives the CSI-2 lines to
LP-00 when in standby mode. When taken out of standby, it transitions to
LP-11, and then automatically transitions to high-speed mode after a
short delay. There is no way (at least according to the documentation)
to switch to the LP-11 state and keep it manually before going to
high-speed mode. How would your CSI-2 receiver work with such a sensor ?

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

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* Re: [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
  2020-05-19 22:50       ` Sakari Ailus
@ 2020-05-19 23:27         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Sowjanya Komatineni @ 2020-05-19 23:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sakari Ailus
  Cc: Hans Verkuil, linux-media, laurent.pinchart, bingbu.cao, Maxime Ripard


On 5/19/20 3:50 PM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> Hi Sowjanya,
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 08:19:55AM -0700, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
>> On 5/18/20 3:35 AM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
>>> Hi Hans,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the review.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:50:34AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
>>>> On 12/05/2020 12:59, Sakari Ailus wrote:
>>>>> While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
>>>>> formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
>>>>> are the practices, why, and where they apply.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> The HTML documentation can be found here:
>>>>>
>>>>> <URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>
>>>>>
>>>>>    .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>    Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
>>>>>    Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
>>>>>    3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
>>>>>    create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
>>>>> new file mode 100644
>>>>> index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
>>>>> --- /dev/null
>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
>>>>> +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Writing camera sensor drivers
>>>>> +=============================
>>>>> +
>>>>> +CSI-2
>>>>> +-----
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Handling clocks
>>>>> +---------------
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
>>>>> +divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
>>>>> +input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
>>>>> +and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
>>>>> +firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
>>>>> +come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be
>>>>> +used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
>>>>> +elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
>>>>> +user.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Frame size
>>>>> +----------
>>>>> +
>>>>> +There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
>>>>> +sensors.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
>>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
>>>>> +processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
>>>>> +scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
>>>>> +of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Register list based drivers
>>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device
>>>>> +they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
>>>>> +configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
>>>>> +level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the
>>>>> +format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g.
>>>>> +drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Frame interval configuration
>>>>> +----------------------------
>>>>> +
>>>>> +There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
>>>>> +intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
>>>>> +depends on the type of the device.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Raw camera sensors
>>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is
>>>>> +a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
>>>>> +specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
>>>>> +less all modern raw camera sensors.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
>>>>> +
>>>>> +	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
>>>>> +			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
>>>>> +large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
>>>>> +crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
>>>>> +``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
>>>>> +pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
>>>>> +unit of that control is Hz.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
>>>>> +purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the
>>>>> +device's internal processing pipeline.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
>>>>> +be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
>>>>> +skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +USB cameras etc. devices
>>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> +
>>>>> +USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
>>>>> +control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
>>>>> +on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
>>>>> +exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
>>>>> +interval on these devices.
>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
>>>>> index e111ff7bfd3d..da8b356389f0 100644
>>>>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
>>>>> @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
>>>>>    .. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
>>>>> +.. _MIPI_CSI_2:
>>>>> +
>>>>>    MIPI CSI-2
>>>>>    ==========
>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
>>>>> index 328350924853..c140692454b1 100644
>>>>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
>>>>> @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ Please see:
>>>>>        mc-core
>>>>>        cec-core
>>>>>        csi2
>>>>> +    camera-sensor
>>>>>        drivers/index
>>>>>
>>>> Can you add a section on power management? I've CC-ed Sowjanya as well, since she
>>>> had some questions about that (off-line), and I don't know the answer on the right
>>>> way to handle power management for sensors.
>>> Sure. There's nothing special in here per se, but given the history and
>>> interaction with the control framework it's worth documenting that
>>> separately. Many drivers are also being used on both ACPI and DT that makes
>>> the drivers somewhat more convoluted.
>>
>> Hi Sakari,
>>
>> Are there any generic implementation guidelines for sensor drivers regarding
>> keeping pads in LP-11 when they are powered on and not being used?
> That's documented in the CSI-2 document, to which this refers to.
>
>> Also is it mandatory for sensor drivers to implement s_power callback where
>> during on time it powers on and keeps pads in LP-11 state?
> That's a good question.
>
> The s_power callback should not be needed for this, but in practice another
> callback is required to replace it. Please see:
>
> <URL:https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/2/18/59>
>
> Patches are accepted to address that. The ISP (or bridge) driver would call
> phy_prepare callback before starting streaming and phy_unprepare when LP-11
> state is no longer needed.
>
>> I see some sensor drivers have RPM enabled and keep sensor power on only
>> when they are being used during configuring and during streaming other wise
>> sensor power will be off and also not all drivers have s_power callback
>> implemented and some drivers with s_power implemented does only power on but
>> does not keep pads in LP-11.
>>
>> Reason for asking is for Tegra CSI receiver, we need to perform pads
>> calibration after every power on of Tegra CSI MIPI Pads.
>>
>> Calibration will be done only when link is is LP-11 state.
>>
>> Would like to have proper implementation for Tegra CSI MIPI pads calibration
>> based on this.
> Note that not all devices support explicitly transitioning to LP-11 mode.
> In this case the drivers usually start streaming and then stop. This could
> be unreliable.
>
Thanks Sakari. phy_prepare/unprepare is useful for cases like this but 
like you said as not all sensors may support explicit LP-11 state or its 
not mandatory for sensor drivers to implement these callbacks, will try 
to handle it on Tegra driver side either with explicit sensor sub-device 
stream start and stop during pads calibration and then enable sensor 
stream again for actual capture or with triggering calibration start 
prior to sensor stream enable and checking for calibration status after 
sensor stream enable.

Thanks & Regards,

Sowjanya


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* Re: [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
  2020-05-12 10:59 [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers Sakari Ailus
  2020-05-18  9:50 ` Hans Verkuil
@ 2020-05-20  0:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
  2020-05-26  8:23   ` Sakari Ailus
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Laurent Pinchart @ 2020-05-20  0:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sakari Ailus; +Cc: linux-media, hverkuil, bingbu.cao, Maxime Ripard

Hi Sakari,

Thank you for the patch.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 01:59:14PM +0300, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
> formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
> are the practices, why, and where they apply.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
> ---
> The HTML documentation can be found here:
> 
> <URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>
> 
>  .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
>  Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
>  Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
>  3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
> +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> +
> +Writing camera sensor drivers
> +=============================
> +
> +CSI-2
> +-----
> +
> +Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.

That document mentions:

  CSI-2 transmitter, such as a sensor or a TV tuner, drivers need to
  provide the CSI-2 receiver with information on the CSI-2 bus
  configuration. These include the V4L2_CID_LINK_FREQ and
  V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE controls and
  (:c:type:`v4l2_subdev_video_ops`->s_stream() callback). These
  interface elements must be present on the sub-device represents the
  CSI-2 transmitter.
  
  The V4L2_CID_LINK_FREQ control is used to tell the receiver driver the
  frequency (and not the symbol rate) of the link. The
  V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE is may be used by the receiver to obtain the pixel
  rate the transmitter uses. The
  :c:type:`v4l2_subdev_video_ops`->s_stream() callback provides an
  ability to start and stop the stream.

Is that still up to date ? I thought V4L2_CID_LINK_FREQ was meant for
userspace to pick a frequency, and CSI-2 receivers were expected to use
the V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE control only to query the transmitter's rate.

> +
> +Handling clocks
> +---------------
> +
> +Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
> +divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
> +input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
> +and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
> +firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.

Does the last sentence try to explain that drivers shall not pick values
for the input clock frequency and the link frequency other than the ones
obtained from the firmware ? I had initially interpreted it as meaning
no other parameters than those two frequencies shall be used to
configure the clock tree. It should be rephrased to make it clearer.

Another issue is that you mention the two frequencies are *generally*
obtained from the firmware, and then state that no other values may be
used, but you don't explain what should be done when the values are not
provided by the firmware in the non-general case.

> +
> +The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
> +come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be

The clock input to the sensor doesn't always come out of the SoC. Do you
really mean the sensor input clock here, or should the text talk about
the sensor output clock instead ? The main source of electro-magnetic
emissions will be the sensor output, not its input.

> +used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
> +elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
> +user.
> +
> +Frame size
> +----------
> +
> +There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
> +sensors.
> +
> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
> +processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
> +scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
> +of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
> +
> +An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
> +
> +Register list based drivers
> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device

s/able/being able/

What's the non-general case here ?

> +they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
> +configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
> +level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the

The parameters are usually not independent, as they are usually
expressed in registers as sizes, and thus depend on the previous
pipeline stages. This should be rephrased.

> +format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
> +
> +Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g. 
> +drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
> +
> +Frame interval configuration
> +----------------------------
> +
> +There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
> +intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
> +depends on the type of the device.
> +
> +Raw camera sensors
> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This isn't limited to raw sensors.

> +
> +Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is

Drop "Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, ".

> +a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
> +specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
> +less all modern raw camera sensors.

Drop "luckily".

> +
> +The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
> +
> +	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
> +			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
> +
> +The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
> +large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
> +crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.

s/crop, /crop /

> +
> +Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
> +``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
> +pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
> +unit of that control is Hz.

I think you should turn this text around, it's not very clear for
someone who doesn't have lots of background in this field. It would be
better to explain that

- sensors perform pixel sampling and scanning out with a fixed rate
- each frame is scanned out line by line, with a line comprising active
  image data and blanking
- blanking lines also occur at the end of the frame
- the frame rate is thus the result of the h/v total and pixel rate
- the active period is the result of analog crop configuration, and the
  h/v blanking are then added with fixed or variable values depending on
  the sensor
- the frame rate for a given analog crop can thus be influenced by the
  amount of h/v blanking.

That's a more logical flow I believe, explaining how sensors work and
then explaining how the frame rate derives from that.

> +
> +Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
> +purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the

What is "the purpose" ?

> +device's internal processing pipeline.
> +
> +The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
> +be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
> +skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.

I think this should be split to a different section about sensor
pipelines.

> +
> +USB cameras etc. devices
> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
> +control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
> +on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
> +exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
> +interval on these devices.

It's not limited to these devices, it's also applicable to some camera
sensors that include an ISP, they can expose a frame interval/rate
control. As this file is named camera-sensor.rst, I think we should talk
about those. It's then typical for the analog crop and blanking to be
manually controllable when AEC is disabled, and for the AEC to take a
frame interval/rate parameter (or min/max values thereof).

Should this also explain what APIs should be exposed by sensor drivers
in that case ?

> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> index e111ff7bfd3d..da8b356389f0 100644
> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
>  .. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
>  
> +.. _MIPI_CSI_2:
> +
>  MIPI CSI-2
>  ==========
>  
> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> index 328350924853..c140692454b1 100644
> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ Please see:
>      mc-core
>      cec-core
>      csi2
> +    camera-sensor
>  
>      drivers/index
>  
> -- 
> 2.20.1
> 

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

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* Re: [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
  2020-05-19 22:53       ` Laurent Pinchart
@ 2020-05-20  0:16         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
  2020-05-20  0:20           ` Laurent Pinchart
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Sowjanya Komatineni @ 2020-05-20  0:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Laurent Pinchart
  Cc: Sakari Ailus, Hans Verkuil, linux-media, bingbu.cao, Maxime Ripard


On 5/19/20 3:53 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> Hi Sowjanya,
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 08:19:55AM -0700, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
>> On 5/18/20 3:35 AM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:50:34AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
>>>> On 12/05/2020 12:59, Sakari Ailus wrote:
>>>>> While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
>>>>> formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
>>>>> are the practices, why, and where they apply.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> The HTML documentation can be found here:
>>>>>
>>>>> <URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>
>>>>>
>>>>>    .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>    Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
>>>>>    Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
>>>>>    3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
>>>>>    create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
>>>>> new file mode 100644
>>>>> index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
>>>>> --- /dev/null
>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
>>>>> +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Writing camera sensor drivers
>>>>> +=============================
>>>>> +
>>>>> +CSI-2
>>>>> +-----
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Handling clocks
>>>>> +---------------
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
>>>>> +divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
>>>>> +input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
>>>>> +and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
>>>>> +firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
>>>>> +come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be
>>>>> +used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
>>>>> +elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
>>>>> +user.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Frame size
>>>>> +----------
>>>>> +
>>>>> +There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
>>>>> +sensors.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
>>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
>>>>> +processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
>>>>> +scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
>>>>> +of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Register list based drivers
>>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device
>>>>> +they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
>>>>> +configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
>>>>> +level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the
>>>>> +format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g.
>>>>> +drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Frame interval configuration
>>>>> +----------------------------
>>>>> +
>>>>> +There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
>>>>> +intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
>>>>> +depends on the type of the device.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Raw camera sensors
>>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is
>>>>> +a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
>>>>> +specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
>>>>> +less all modern raw camera sensors.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
>>>>> +
>>>>> +	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
>>>>> +			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
>>>>> +large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
>>>>> +crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
>>>>> +``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
>>>>> +pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
>>>>> +unit of that control is Hz.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
>>>>> +purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the
>>>>> +device's internal processing pipeline.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
>>>>> +be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
>>>>> +skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.
>>>>> +
>>>>> +USB cameras etc. devices
>>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> +
>>>>> +USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
>>>>> +control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
>>>>> +on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
>>>>> +exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
>>>>> +interval on these devices.
>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
>>>>> index e111ff7bfd3d..da8b356389f0 100644
>>>>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
>>>>> @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
>>>>>    .. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
>>>>>    
>>>>> +.. _MIPI_CSI_2:
>>>>> +
>>>>>    MIPI CSI-2
>>>>>    ==========
>>>>>    
>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
>>>>> index 328350924853..c140692454b1 100644
>>>>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
>>>>> @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ Please see:
>>>>>        mc-core
>>>>>        cec-core
>>>>>        csi2
>>>>> +    camera-sensor
>>>>>    
>>>>>        drivers/index
>>>>>    
>>>> Can you add a section on power management? I've CC-ed Sowjanya as well, since she
>>>> had some questions about that (off-line), and I don't know the answer on the right
>>>> way to handle power management for sensors.
>>> Sure. There's nothing special in here per se, but given the history and
>>> interaction with the control framework it's worth documenting that
>>> separately. Many drivers are also being used on both ACPI and DT that makes
>>> the drivers somewhat more convoluted.
>> Hi Sakari,
>>
>> Are there any generic implementation guidelines for sensor drivers
>> regarding keeping pads in LP-11 when they are powered on and not being used?
>>
>> Also is it mandatory for sensor drivers to implement s_power callback
>> where during on time it powers on and keeps pads in LP-11 state?
>>
>> I see some sensor drivers have RPM enabled and keep sensor power on only
>> when they are being used during configuring and during streaming other
>> wise sensor power will be off and also not all drivers have s_power
>> callback implemented and some drivers with s_power implemented does only
>> power on but does not keep pads in LP-11.
>>
>> Reason for asking is for Tegra CSI receiver, we need to perform pads
>> calibration after every power on of Tegra CSI MIPI Pads.
>>
>> Calibration will be done only when link is is LP-11 state.
>>
>> Would like to have proper implementation for Tegra CSI MIPI pads
>> calibration based on this.
> I came across a similar issue recently with the i.MX6 CSI-2 receiver,
> when used with an MT9M114 sensor. The MT9M114 drives the CSI-2 lines to
> LP-00 when in standby mode. When taken out of standby, it transitions to
> LP-11, and then automatically transitions to high-speed mode after a
> short delay. There is no way (at least according to the documentation)
> to switch to the LP-11 state and keep it manually before going to
> high-speed mode. How would your CSI-2 receiver work with such a sensor ?
>
Our Tegra CSI receiver can detect LP transition so we don't need to 
manually hold LP-11 state but we need to sync LP-11 state during sensor 
stream with CSI receiver stream or during CSI pads calibration.

So considering the fact that not all sensors support explicit LP-11 
state, we can handle in our driver to trigger pads calibration before 
sensor stream and to check for calibration results after sensor stream 
enable and then continue with capture.

As CSI can detect 1st LP transition, we always keep CSI receiver ready 
by starting CSI stream prior to sensor stream for capture.


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* Re: [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
  2020-05-20  0:16         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
@ 2020-05-20  0:20           ` Laurent Pinchart
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Laurent Pinchart @ 2020-05-20  0:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sowjanya Komatineni
  Cc: Sakari Ailus, Hans Verkuil, linux-media, bingbu.cao, Maxime Ripard

Hi Sowjanya,

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 05:16:43PM -0700, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
> On 5/19/20 3:53 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 08:19:55AM -0700, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
> >> On 5/18/20 3:35 AM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> >>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:50:34AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> >>>> On 12/05/2020 12:59, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> >>>>> While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
> >>>>> formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
> >>>>> are the practices, why, and where they apply.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> The HTML documentation can be found here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>    Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
> >>>>>    Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
> >>>>>    3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
> >>>>>    create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> >>>>>
> >>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> >>>>> new file mode 100644
> >>>>> index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
> >>>>> --- /dev/null
> >>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> >>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
> >>>>> +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Writing camera sensor drivers
> >>>>> +=============================
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +CSI-2
> >>>>> +-----
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Handling clocks
> >>>>> +---------------
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
> >>>>> +divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
> >>>>> +input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
> >>>>> +and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
> >>>>> +firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
> >>>>> +come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be
> >>>>> +used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
> >>>>> +elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
> >>>>> +user.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Frame size
> >>>>> +----------
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
> >>>>> +sensors.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
> >>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
> >>>>> +processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
> >>>>> +scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
> >>>>> +of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Register list based drivers
> >>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device
> >>>>> +they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
> >>>>> +configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
> >>>>> +level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the
> >>>>> +format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g.
> >>>>> +drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Frame interval configuration
> >>>>> +----------------------------
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
> >>>>> +intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
> >>>>> +depends on the type of the device.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Raw camera sensors
> >>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is
> >>>>> +a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
> >>>>> +specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
> >>>>> +less all modern raw camera sensors.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
> >>>>> +			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
> >>>>> +large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
> >>>>> +crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
> >>>>> +``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
> >>>>> +pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
> >>>>> +unit of that control is Hz.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
> >>>>> +purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the
> >>>>> +device's internal processing pipeline.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
> >>>>> +be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
> >>>>> +skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +USB cameras etc. devices
> >>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
> >>>>> +control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
> >>>>> +on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
> >>>>> +exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
> >>>>> +interval on these devices.
> >>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> >>>>> index e111ff7bfd3d..da8b356389f0 100644
> >>>>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> >>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> >>>>> @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
> >>>>>    .. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> >>>>>    
> >>>>> +.. _MIPI_CSI_2:
> >>>>> +
> >>>>>    MIPI CSI-2
> >>>>>    ==========
> >>>>>    
> >>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> >>>>> index 328350924853..c140692454b1 100644
> >>>>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> >>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> >>>>> @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ Please see:
> >>>>>        mc-core
> >>>>>        cec-core
> >>>>>        csi2
> >>>>> +    camera-sensor
> >>>>>    
> >>>>>        drivers/index
> >>>>>    
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you add a section on power management? I've CC-ed Sowjanya as well, since she
> >>>> had some questions about that (off-line), and I don't know the answer on the right
> >>>> way to handle power management for sensors.
> >>>
> >>> Sure. There's nothing special in here per se, but given the history and
> >>> interaction with the control framework it's worth documenting that
> >>> separately. Many drivers are also being used on both ACPI and DT that makes
> >>> the drivers somewhat more convoluted.
> >>
> >> Hi Sakari,
> >>
> >> Are there any generic implementation guidelines for sensor drivers
> >> regarding keeping pads in LP-11 when they are powered on and not being used?
> >>
> >> Also is it mandatory for sensor drivers to implement s_power callback
> >> where during on time it powers on and keeps pads in LP-11 state?
> >>
> >> I see some sensor drivers have RPM enabled and keep sensor power on only
> >> when they are being used during configuring and during streaming other
> >> wise sensor power will be off and also not all drivers have s_power
> >> callback implemented and some drivers with s_power implemented does only
> >> power on but does not keep pads in LP-11.
> >>
> >> Reason for asking is for Tegra CSI receiver, we need to perform pads
> >> calibration after every power on of Tegra CSI MIPI Pads.
> >>
> >> Calibration will be done only when link is is LP-11 state.
> >>
> >> Would like to have proper implementation for Tegra CSI MIPI pads
> >> calibration based on this.
> >
> > I came across a similar issue recently with the i.MX6 CSI-2 receiver,
> > when used with an MT9M114 sensor. The MT9M114 drives the CSI-2 lines to
> > LP-00 when in standby mode. When taken out of standby, it transitions to
> > LP-11, and then automatically transitions to high-speed mode after a
> > short delay. There is no way (at least according to the documentation)
> > to switch to the LP-11 state and keep it manually before going to
> > high-speed mode. How would your CSI-2 receiver work with such a sensor ?
>
> Our Tegra CSI receiver can detect LP transition so we don't need to 
> manually hold LP-11 state but we need to sync LP-11 state during sensor 
> stream with CSI receiver stream or during CSI pads calibration.
> 
> So considering the fact that not all sensors support explicit LP-11 
> state, we can handle in our driver to trigger pads calibration before 
> sensor stream and to check for calibration results after sensor stream 
> enable and then continue with capture.
> 
> As CSI can detect 1st LP transition, we always keep CSI receiver ready 
> by starting CSI stream prior to sensor stream for capture.

Sounds good to me :-)

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

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* Re: [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
  2020-05-20  0:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
@ 2020-05-26  8:23   ` Sakari Ailus
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Sakari Ailus @ 2020-05-26  8:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Laurent Pinchart; +Cc: linux-media, hverkuil, bingbu.cao, Maxime Ripard

Hi Laurent,

Thanks for the comments.

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 03:01:30AM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> Hi Sakari,
> 
> Thank you for the patch.
> 
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 01:59:14PM +0300, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> > While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
> > formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
> > are the practices, why, and where they apply.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
> > ---
> > The HTML documentation can be found here:
> > 
> > <URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>
> > 
> >  .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
> >  Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
> >  Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
> >  3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
> >  create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> > 
> > diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> > new file mode 100644
> > index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
> > --- /dev/null
> > +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> > @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
> > +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> > +
> > +Writing camera sensor drivers
> > +=============================
> > +
> > +CSI-2
> > +-----
> > +
> > +Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.
> 
> That document mentions:
> 
>   CSI-2 transmitter, such as a sensor or a TV tuner, drivers need to
>   provide the CSI-2 receiver with information on the CSI-2 bus
>   configuration. These include the V4L2_CID_LINK_FREQ and
>   V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE controls and
>   (:c:type:`v4l2_subdev_video_ops`->s_stream() callback). These
>   interface elements must be present on the sub-device represents the
>   CSI-2 transmitter.
>   
>   The V4L2_CID_LINK_FREQ control is used to tell the receiver driver the
>   frequency (and not the symbol rate) of the link. The
>   V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE is may be used by the receiver to obtain the pixel
>   rate the transmitter uses. The
>   :c:type:`v4l2_subdev_video_ops`->s_stream() callback provides an
>   ability to start and stop the stream.
> 
> Is that still up to date ? I thought V4L2_CID_LINK_FREQ was meant for
> userspace to pick a frequency, and CSI-2 receivers were expected to use
> the V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE control only to query the transmitter's rate.

Good question. I think it is up-to-date.

The ipu3-cio2 driver uses the LINK_FREQ control, that's what most CSI-2
receiver drivers are interested in. I guess it could use PIXEL_RATE, too.
Using either would probably make sense, and there seems to be a single
sensor driver using LINK_FREQ that does not implement PIXEL_RATE.

That's a separate issue though, I can send a patch soonish. Ping me if I
forget.

> 
> > +
> > +Handling clocks
> > +---------------
> > +
> > +Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
> > +divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
> > +input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
> > +and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
> > +firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.
> 
> Does the last sentence try to explain that drivers shall not pick values
> for the input clock frequency and the link frequency other than the ones
> obtained from the firmware ? I had initially interpreted it as meaning
> no other parameters than those two frequencies shall be used to
> configure the clock tree. It should be rephrased to make it clearer.
> 
> Another issue is that you mention the two frequencies are *generally*
> obtained from the firmware, and then state that no other values may be
> used, but you don't explain what should be done when the values are not
> provided by the firmware in the non-general case.

That is actually explained below. I'll see if some of the below text could
be used.

The problem is that the driver does not know in what kind of a system the
device may be used in, and whether random frequencies would be workable
there or not. Also some drivers in practice currently need a set of
frequencies to work with, rather than a range.

Using higher link frequencies than specified in firmware would also bring a
new problem: the sensor driver might configure the transmitter at a
frequency (or data rate) the receiver does not support. This would also
need to be solved for any frequency to work.

In principle we could also add a frequency range to firmware, using a
different property. I'm not sure what the gain from that would be though.

> 
> > +
> > +The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
> > +come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be
> 
> The clock input to the sensor doesn't always come out of the SoC. Do you
> really mean the sensor input clock here, or should the text talk about
> the sensor output clock instead ? The main source of electro-magnetic
> emissions will be the sensor output, not its input.

Probably so, but the former is affected by the latter. How about:

The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock
signals may travel long distances on the PCB, and in many cases only a
specific frequency is known not to cause interference.

> 
> > +used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
> > +elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
> > +user.
> > +
> > +Frame size
> > +----------
> > +
> > +There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
> > +sensors.
> > +
> > +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
> > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > +
> > +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
> > +processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
> > +scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
> > +of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
> > +
> > +An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
> > +
> > +Register list based drivers
> > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > +
> > +Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device
> 
> s/able/being able/

Yes.

> 
> What's the non-general case here ?

There could be (and are) drivers that are only partially based on register
lists.

> 
> > +they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
> > +configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
> > +level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the
> 
> The parameters are usually not independent, as they are usually
> expressed in registers as sizes, and thus depend on the previous
> pipeline stages. This should be rephrased.

Their value range does depend on previous processing steps but the
configuration of the consecutive processing steps is still independent;
configuring one does not require a particular configuration on the other.
In that sense they are independent.

> 
> > +format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
> > +
> > +Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g. 
> > +drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
> > +
> > +Frame interval configuration
> > +----------------------------
> > +
> > +There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
> > +intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
> > +depends on the type of the device.
> > +
> > +Raw camera sensors
> > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> This isn't limited to raw sensors.

I guess there's a class of devices that contain an ISP but still expose the
raw timing values to the driver.

How about:

"Raw camera sensors and other devices with close to hardware control parameters"

> 
> > +
> > +Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is
> 
> Drop "Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, ".

Ack.

> 
> > +a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
> > +specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
> > +less all modern raw camera sensors.
> 
> Drop "luckily".

Hmm. I think it probably should be there but I can remove it, too.

> 
> > +
> > +The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
> > +
> > +	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
> > +			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
> > +
> > +The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
> > +large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
> > +crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.
> 
> s/crop, /crop /

Yes.

> 
> > +
> > +Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
> > +``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
> > +pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
> > +unit of that control is Hz.
> 
> I think you should turn this text around, it's not very clear for
> someone who doesn't have lots of background in this field. It would be
> better to explain that
> 
> - sensors perform pixel sampling and scanning out with a fixed rate
> - each frame is scanned out line by line, with a line comprising active
>   image data and blanking
> - blanking lines also occur at the end of the frame
> - the frame rate is thus the result of the h/v total and pixel rate
> - the active period is the result of analog crop configuration, and the
>   h/v blanking are then added with fixed or variable values depending on
>   the sensor
> - the frame rate for a given analog crop can thus be influenced by the
>   amount of h/v blanking.
> 
> That's a more logical flow I believe, explaining how sensors work and
> then explaining how the frame rate derives from that.

I don't question the usefulness of such documentation, but note this is
driver API documentation. I think such description would be better placed
in uAPI documentation.

I actually wonder whether much of the above would be better placed there.
We have some bits of this in the control documentation but it assumes some
knowledge of the camera sensors.

> 
> > +
> > +Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
> > +purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the
> 
> What is "the purpose" ?

How about adding: " of conveying this information to the user space".

> 
> > +device's internal processing pipeline.
> > +
> > +The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
> > +be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
> > +skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.
> 
> I think this should be split to a different section about sensor
> pipelines.
> 
> > +
> > +USB cameras etc. devices
> > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > +
> > +USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
> > +control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
> > +on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
> > +exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
> > +interval on these devices.
> 
> It's not limited to these devices, it's also applicable to some camera
> sensors that include an ISP, they can expose a frame interval/rate
> control. As this file is named camera-sensor.rst, I think we should talk
> about those. It's then typical for the analog crop and blanking to be
> manually controllable when AEC is disabled, and for the AEC to take a
> frame interval/rate parameter (or min/max values thereof).

That's why the "etc." is there. :-) But perhaps it could be expressed
better. How about:

USB cameras and other devices using frame interval natively~

> 
> Should this also explain what APIs should be exposed by sensor drivers
> in that case ?

Probably yes.

-- 
Sakari Ailus

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