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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Sowjanya Komatineni <skomatineni@nvidia.com>
Cc: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, bingbu.cao@intel.com,
	Maxime Ripard <maxime@cerno.tech>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 03:20:45 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200520002045.GP3820@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <133d6dab-bfbe-13c5-c23d-878e4d4a43d3@nvidia.com>

Hi Sowjanya,

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 05:16:43PM -0700, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
> On 5/19/20 3:53 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 08:19:55AM -0700, Sowjanya Komatineni wrote:
> >> On 5/18/20 3:35 AM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> >>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:50:34AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> >>>> On 12/05/2020 12:59, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> >>>>> While we have had some example drivers, there has been up to date no
> >>>>> formal documentation on how camera sensor drivers should be written; what
> >>>>> are the practices, why, and where they apply.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> The HTML documentation can be found here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <URL:https://www.retiisi.eu/~sailus/v4l2/tmp/doc/output/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.html>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    .../driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst        | 98 +++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>    Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst       |  2 +
> >>>>>    Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst      |  1 +
> >>>>>    3 files changed, 101 insertions(+)
> >>>>>    create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> >>>>>
> >>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> >>>>> new file mode 100644
> >>>>> index 000000000000..345e3ae30340
> >>>>> --- /dev/null
> >>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/camera-sensor.rst
> >>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
> >>>>> +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Writing camera sensor drivers
> >>>>> +=============================
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +CSI-2
> >>>>> +-----
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Please see what is written on :ref:`MIPI_CSI_2`.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Handling clocks
> >>>>> +---------------
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Camera sensors have an internal clock tree including a PLL and a number of
> >>>>> +divisors. The clock tree is generally configured by the driver based on a few
> >>>>> +input parameters that are specific to the hardware:: the external clock frequency
> >>>>> +and the link frequency. The two parameters generally are obtained from system
> >>>>> +firmware. No other frequencies should be used in any circumstances.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +The reason why the clock frequencies are so important is that the clock signals
> >>>>> +come out of the SoC, and in many cases a specific frequency is designed to be
> >>>>> +used in the system. Using another frequency may cause harmful effects
> >>>>> +elsewhere. Therefore only the pre-determined frequencies are configurable by the
> >>>>> +user.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Frame size
> >>>>> +----------
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +There are two distinct ways to configure the frame size produced by camera
> >>>>> +sensors.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers
> >>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Freely configurable camera sensor drivers expose the device's internal
> >>>>> +processing pipeline as one or more sub-devices with different cropping and
> >>>>> +scaling configurations. The output size of the device is the result of a series
> >>>>> +of cropping and scaling operations from the device's pixel array's size.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +An example of such a driver is the smiapp driver (see drivers/media/i2c/smiapp).
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Register list based drivers
> >>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Register list based drivers generally, instead of able to configure the device
> >>>>> +they control based on user requests, are limited to a number of preset
> >>>>> +configurations that combine a number of different parameters that on hardware
> >>>>> +level are independent. How a driver picks such configuration is based on the
> >>>>> +format set on a source pad at the end of the device's internal pipeline.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Most sensor drivers are implemented this way, see e.g.
> >>>>> +drivers/media/i2c/imx319.c for an example.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Frame interval configuration
> >>>>> +----------------------------
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +There are two different methods for obtaining possibilities for different frame
> >>>>> +intervals as well as configuring the frame interval. Which one to implement
> >>>>> +depends on the type of the device.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Raw camera sensors
> >>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Instead of a high level parameter such as frame interval, the frame interval is
> >>>>> +a result of the configuration of a number of camera sensor implementation
> >>>>> +specific parameters. Luckily, these parameters tend to be the same for more or
> >>>>> +less all modern raw camera sensors.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +The frame interval is calculated using the following equation::
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +	frame interval = (analogue crop width + horizontal blanking) *
> >>>>> +			 (analogue crop height + vertical blanking) / pixel rate
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +The formula is bus independent and is applicable for raw timing parameters on
> >>>>> +large variety of devices beyond camera sensors. Devices that have no analogue
> >>>>> +crop, use the full source image size, i.e. pixel array size.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Horizontal and vertical blanking are specified by ``V4L2_CID_HBLANK`` and
> >>>>> +``V4L2_CID_VBLANK``, respectively. The unit of these controls are lines. The
> >>>>> +pixel rate is specified by ``V4L2_CID_PIXEL_RATE`` in the same sub-device. The
> >>>>> +unit of that control is Hz.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +Register list based drivers need to implement read-only sub-device nodes for the
> >>>>> +purpose. Devices that are not register list based need these to configure the
> >>>>> +device's internal processing pipeline.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +The first entity in the linear pipeline is the pixel array. The pixel array may
> >>>>> +be followed by other entities that are there to allow configuring binning,
> >>>>> +skipping, scaling or digital crop :ref:`v4l2-subdev-selections`.
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +USB cameras etc. devices
> >>>>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>> +
> >>>>> +USB video class hardware, as well as many cameras offering a higher level
> >>>>> +control interface, generally use the concept of frame interval (or frame rate)
> >>>>> +on the level of device hardware interface. This means lower level controls
> >>>>> +exposed by raw cameras may not be used as an interface to control the frame
> >>>>> +interval on these devices.
> >>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> >>>>> index e111ff7bfd3d..da8b356389f0 100644
> >>>>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> >>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/csi2.rst
> >>>>> @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
> >>>>>    .. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> >>>>>    
> >>>>> +.. _MIPI_CSI_2:
> >>>>> +
> >>>>>    MIPI CSI-2
> >>>>>    ==========
> >>>>>    
> >>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> >>>>> index 328350924853..c140692454b1 100644
> >>>>> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> >>>>> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/media/index.rst
> >>>>> @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ Please see:
> >>>>>        mc-core
> >>>>>        cec-core
> >>>>>        csi2
> >>>>> +    camera-sensor
> >>>>>    
> >>>>>        drivers/index
> >>>>>    
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you add a section on power management? I've CC-ed Sowjanya as well, since she
> >>>> had some questions about that (off-line), and I don't know the answer on the right
> >>>> way to handle power management for sensors.
> >>>
> >>> Sure. There's nothing special in here per se, but given the history and
> >>> interaction with the control framework it's worth documenting that
> >>> separately. Many drivers are also being used on both ACPI and DT that makes
> >>> the drivers somewhat more convoluted.
> >>
> >> Hi Sakari,
> >>
> >> Are there any generic implementation guidelines for sensor drivers
> >> regarding keeping pads in LP-11 when they are powered on and not being used?
> >>
> >> Also is it mandatory for sensor drivers to implement s_power callback
> >> where during on time it powers on and keeps pads in LP-11 state?
> >>
> >> I see some sensor drivers have RPM enabled and keep sensor power on only
> >> when they are being used during configuring and during streaming other
> >> wise sensor power will be off and also not all drivers have s_power
> >> callback implemented and some drivers with s_power implemented does only
> >> power on but does not keep pads in LP-11.
> >>
> >> Reason for asking is for Tegra CSI receiver, we need to perform pads
> >> calibration after every power on of Tegra CSI MIPI Pads.
> >>
> >> Calibration will be done only when link is is LP-11 state.
> >>
> >> Would like to have proper implementation for Tegra CSI MIPI pads
> >> calibration based on this.
> >
> > I came across a similar issue recently with the i.MX6 CSI-2 receiver,
> > when used with an MT9M114 sensor. The MT9M114 drives the CSI-2 lines to
> > LP-00 when in standby mode. When taken out of standby, it transitions to
> > LP-11, and then automatically transitions to high-speed mode after a
> > short delay. There is no way (at least according to the documentation)
> > to switch to the LP-11 state and keep it manually before going to
> > high-speed mode. How would your CSI-2 receiver work with such a sensor ?
>
> Our Tegra CSI receiver can detect LP transition so we don't need to 
> manually hold LP-11 state but we need to sync LP-11 state during sensor 
> stream with CSI receiver stream or during CSI pads calibration.
> 
> So considering the fact that not all sensors support explicit LP-11 
> state, we can handle in our driver to trigger pads calibration before 
> sensor stream and to check for calibration results after sensor stream 
> enable and then continue with capture.
> 
> As CSI can detect 1st LP transition, we always keep CSI receiver ready 
> by starting CSI stream prior to sensor stream for capture.

Sounds good to me :-)

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-20  0:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-12 10:59 [PATCH 1/1] Documentation: media: Document how to write camera sensor drivers Sakari Ailus
2020-05-18  9:50 ` Hans Verkuil
2020-05-18 10:35   ` Sakari Ailus
2020-05-18 15:19     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-05-19 22:50       ` Sakari Ailus
2020-05-19 23:27         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-05-19 22:53       ` Laurent Pinchart
2020-05-20  0:16         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-05-20  0:20           ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2020-05-20  0:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
2020-05-26  8:23   ` Sakari Ailus

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