All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: Andrey Konovalov <andreyknvl@google.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>,
	Colin Ian King <colin.king@canonical.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	USB list <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	syzbot <syzbot+854768b99f19e89d7f81@syzkaller.appspotmail.com>,
	syzkaller-bugs <syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] USB: cdc-wdm: Call wake_up_all() when clearing WDM_IN_USE bit.
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 08:08:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200530060814.GD3462734@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <79ba410f-e0ef-2465-b94f-6b9a4a82adf5@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 09:42:46AM +0900, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> On 2020/05/30 5:41, Andrey Konovalov wrote:
> > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 10:58 PM Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 09:51:35PM +0200, Andrey Konovalov wrote:
> >>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 9:40 PM Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 09:03:43PM +0200, Andrey Konovalov wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Ah, so the problem is that when a process exits, it tries to close wdm
> >>>>> fd first, which ends up calling wdm_flush(), which can't finish
> >>>>> because the USB requests are not terminated before raw-gadget fd is
> >>>>> closed, which is supposed to happen after wdm fd is closed. Is this
> >>>>> correct? I wonder what will happen if a real device stays connected
> >>>>> and ignores wdm requests.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't understand though, how using wait_event_interruptible() will
> >>>>> shadow anything here.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alan, Greg, is this acceptable behavior for a USB driver?
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't understand what the problem is.  Can you explain in more general
> >>>> terms -- nothing specific to wdm or anything like that -- what you are
> >>>> concerned about?  Is this something that could happen to any gadget
> >>>> driver?  Or any USB class device driver?  Or does it only affect
> >>>> usespace components of raw-gadget drivers?
> >>>
> >>> So, AFAIU, we have a driver whose flush() callback blocks on
> >>> wait_event(), which can only terminate when either 1) the driver
> >>> receives a particular USB response from the device or 2) the device
> >>> disconnects.
> >>
> >> This sounds like a bug in the driver.  What would it do if someone had a
> >> genuine (not emulated) but buggy USB device which didn't send the
> >> desired response?  The only way to unblock the driver would be to unplug
> >> the device!  That isn't acceptable behavior.
> > 
> > OK, that's what I thought.
> 
> I believe that this is not a bug in the driver but a problem of hardware
> failure. Unless this is high-availability code which is designed for safely
> failing over to other node, we don't need to care about hardware failure.

As Alan said, that's just not true.  It's the job of an operating system
kernel to handle all of the crazy ways hardware is broken, and make it
work properly for people.  We deal with hardware failure all the time.

So don't do uninterruptable waits or loop for forever waiting for some
hardware value to change that might not change.  That's a sure way to
lock up the system and make users mad at you.

thanks,

greg k-h

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-30  6:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-20 23:31 [PATCH] USB: cdc-wdm: Call wake_up_all() when clearing WDM_IN_USE bit Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-21  7:33 ` Greg KH
2020-05-21 10:01   ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-21 19:50     ` Oliver Neukum
2020-05-21 22:48       ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-22  8:04         ` Oliver Neukum
2020-05-22  8:26           ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-25 12:06             ` Oliver Neukum
2020-05-25 13:32               ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-27  4:47                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-28 15:18                   ` Andrey Konovalov
2020-05-28 16:03                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-28 19:03                       ` Andrey Konovalov
2020-05-28 19:40                         ` Alan Stern
2020-05-28 19:51                           ` Andrey Konovalov
2020-05-28 20:58                             ` Alan Stern
2020-05-29 20:41                               ` Andrey Konovalov
2020-05-30  0:42                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-30  1:10                                   ` Alan Stern
2020-05-30  4:58                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-06-24 11:57                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2020-06-24 12:48                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-30  6:08                                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2020-06-01 12:26                                   ` Andrey Konovalov
2020-05-30 15:25                               ` Oliver Neukum
2020-05-30 15:47                                 ` Alan Stern
2020-06-08  2:24                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-06-18  0:48                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-06-19 13:56                                       ` Andrey Konovalov
2020-06-23 11:20                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-07-02  5:44                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-07-02  7:24                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2020-07-15  6:15                                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-08-10 10:47                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-24 15:09                                                   ` [PATCH] USB: cdc-wdm: Make wdm_flush() interruptible and add wdm_fsync() Tetsuo Handa
2020-09-28 14:17                                                     ` [PATCH (repost)] " Tetsuo Handa
2020-06-25  9:56                                     ` [PATCH] USB: cdc-wdm: Call wake_up_all() when clearing WDM_IN_USE bit Oliver Neukum
2020-06-25 11:15                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-07-01  7:08                                     ` [TEST]Re: " Oliver Neukum

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20200530060814.GD3462734@kroah.com \
    --to=gregkh@linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=andreyknvl@google.com \
    --cc=arnd@arndb.de \
    --cc=colin.king@canonical.com \
    --cc=linux-usb@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=oneukum@suse.com \
    --cc=penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp \
    --cc=stern@rowland.harvard.edu \
    --cc=syzbot+854768b99f19e89d7f81@syzkaller.appspotmail.com \
    --cc=syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.