From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D66C433E0 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.ozlabs.org (lists.ozlabs.org [203.11.71.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC1F1204EF for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:48:54 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org BC1F1204EF Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=libc.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=linuxppc-dev-bounces+linuxppc-dev=archiver.kernel.org@lists.ozlabs.org Received: from bilbo.ozlabs.org (lists.ozlabs.org [IPv6:2401:3900:2:1::3]) by lists.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49dCv84kr2zDqgw for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 03:48:52 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; spf=none (no SPF record) smtp.mailfrom=libc.org (client-ip=216.12.86.13; helo=brightrain.aerifal.cx; envelope-from=dalias@libc.org; receiver=) Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=libc.org Received: from brightrain.aerifal.cx (brightrain.aerifal.cx [216.12.86.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dCrC3RgRzDqdh for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 03:46:17 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:46:13 -0400 From: Rich Felker To: Segher Boessenkool Subject: Re: [musl] Re: ppc64le and 32-bit LE userland compatibility Message-ID: <20200604174613.GP1079@brightrain.aerifal.cx> References: <20200602142337.GS25173@kitsune.suse.cz> <3aeb6dfe-ae23-42f9-ac23-16be6b54a850@www.fastmail.com> <20200604171232.GG31009@gate.crashing.org> <20200604171844.GO1079@brightrain.aerifal.cx> <20200604173312.GI31009@gate.crashing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200604173312.GI31009@gate.crashing.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Linux on PowerPC Developers Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org, eery@paperfox.es, Daniel Kolesa , musl@lists.openwall.com, Will Springer , Palmer Dabbelt via binutils , via libc-dev , Michal =?utf-8?B?U3VjaMOhbmVr?= , linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, Joseph Myers Errors-To: linuxppc-dev-bounces+linuxppc-dev=archiver.kernel.org@lists.ozlabs.org Sender: "Linuxppc-dev" On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 12:33:12PM -0500, Segher Boessenkool wrote: > On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 01:18:44PM -0400, Rich Felker wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 12:12:32PM -0500, Segher Boessenkool wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 05:13:25PM +0200, Daniel Kolesa wrote: > > > > well, ppc64le already cannot be run on those, as far as I know (I > > > > don't think it's possible to build ppc64le userland without VSX in > > > > any configuration) > > > > > > VSX is required by the ELFv2 ABI: > > > > > > """ > > > Specifically, to use this ABI and ABI-compliant programs, OpenPOWER- > > > compliant processors must implement the following categories: > > > > This is not actually ABI but IBM policy laundered into an ABI > > document, which musl does not honor. > > It is the ABI. If you think it should be different, make your own ABI, > don't pretend the existing ABI is different than what it is. Thank you. Our ABI is as specified in the ELFv2 document, but with ld as ld64, and minus gratuitous requirements on ISA level that are not part of implementing linkage. Rich