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Message-ID: <20201001131714.GC6673@linux.fritz.box> References: <87k0wa1bf8.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> <54b77382-78c8-e6bf-45d4-616595baa87f@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <54b77382-78c8-e6bf-45d4-616595baa87f@redhat.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=kwolf@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline Received-SPF: pass client-ip=63.128.21.124; envelope-from=kwolf@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/01 02:15:30 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Peter Maydell , Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=2E_Berrang=E9?= , Markus Armbruster , qemu-devel@nongnu.org Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 01.10.2020 um 15:06 hat Eric Blake geschrieben: > On 10/1/20 5:35 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote: > > We deprecated "?" more than eight years ago. We didn't have a > > deprecation process back then, but we did purge "?" from the > > documentation and from help texts. Can we finally drop it? > >=20 > > I'm asking because there is a patch on the list that bypasses > > is_help_option() to not add deprecated "?" to a new place: "[PATCH v2 > > 1/4] keyval: Parse help options". > >=20 >=20 > Did we ever issue a warning when it was used? It's easier to argue that > it can be dropped if users had notice of some form or another. That > said, I'm not heartbroken if we yank it immediately instead of letting > it live for 2 more releases. A deprecation warning for a help option would somehow feel strange. I would consider this a human-only interface that can be changed at will, like HMP syntax. 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