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From: Nathan Chancellor <natechancellor@gmail.com>
To: Adrian Ratiu <adrian.ratiu@collabora.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel@collabora.com,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm: lib: xor-neon: disable clang vectorization
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 11:01:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201106180115.GB2959494@ubuntu-m3-large-x86> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wnyyvh56.fsf@collabora.com>

Hi Adrian,

On Fri, Nov 06, 2020 at 01:50:13PM +0200, Adrian Ratiu wrote:
> I tested Arnd's kernel patch from the LLVM bugtracker [1], but with the
> Clang v10.0.1 I still get warnings like the following even though the
> __restrict workaround seems to affect the generated instructions:
> 
> ./include/asm-generic/xor.h:15:2: remark: the cost-model indicates that
> interleaving is not beneficial [-Rpass-missed=loop-vectorize]
> ./include/asm-generic/xor.h:11:1: remark: List vectorization was possible
> but not beneficial with cost 0 >= 0 [-Rpass-missed=slp-vectorizer]
> xor_8regs_2(unsigned long bytes, unsigned long *__restrict p1, unsigned long
> *__restrict p2)
> 
> [1] https://bugs.llvm.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40976#c6

Ack, thanks for double checking!

> In my opinion we have 3 ways to go regarding this:
> 
> 1. Leave it as is and try to notify the user of the breakage (eg add a new
> warning). You previously said this is not a good idea because the user can't
> do anything about it. I agree.
> 
> 2. Somehow work around the compiler bug in the kernel which is what the LLVM
> bugtracker patch tries to do. This is a slippery slope even if we somehow
> get it right, especially since multiple Clang versions might be supported in
> the future and we don't know when the bug will be properly fixed by the
> compiler. In addition we're enabling and "hiding" possibly undefined
> behaviour.
> 
> 3. Disable the broken feature and once the compiler bug is fixed enable it
> back warning users of old compilers that there is an action they can take:
> upgrade. This is exactly how this was handled for GCC previously, so there
> is a precedent.
> 
> This implements the 3'rd scenario which is also the first thing Arnd
> suggested in the original patch. :)

I agree that number three is definitely the most robust against the
future. I know that I periodically grep the tree for "bugs.llvm.org"
because we always file something on LLVM's bug tracker when we have to
work around something in the kernel. I think this patch is totally fine
as is, hopefully we can get it fixed in LLVM sooner rather than later.

Cheers,
Nathan

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From: Nathan Chancellor <natechancellor@gmail.com>
To: Adrian Ratiu <adrian.ratiu@collabora.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com, kernel@collabora.com,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm: lib: xor-neon: disable clang vectorization
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 11:01:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201106180115.GB2959494@ubuntu-m3-large-x86> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wnyyvh56.fsf@collabora.com>

Hi Adrian,

On Fri, Nov 06, 2020 at 01:50:13PM +0200, Adrian Ratiu wrote:
> I tested Arnd's kernel patch from the LLVM bugtracker [1], but with the
> Clang v10.0.1 I still get warnings like the following even though the
> __restrict workaround seems to affect the generated instructions:
> 
> ./include/asm-generic/xor.h:15:2: remark: the cost-model indicates that
> interleaving is not beneficial [-Rpass-missed=loop-vectorize]
> ./include/asm-generic/xor.h:11:1: remark: List vectorization was possible
> but not beneficial with cost 0 >= 0 [-Rpass-missed=slp-vectorizer]
> xor_8regs_2(unsigned long bytes, unsigned long *__restrict p1, unsigned long
> *__restrict p2)
> 
> [1] https://bugs.llvm.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40976#c6

Ack, thanks for double checking!

> In my opinion we have 3 ways to go regarding this:
> 
> 1. Leave it as is and try to notify the user of the breakage (eg add a new
> warning). You previously said this is not a good idea because the user can't
> do anything about it. I agree.
> 
> 2. Somehow work around the compiler bug in the kernel which is what the LLVM
> bugtracker patch tries to do. This is a slippery slope even if we somehow
> get it right, especially since multiple Clang versions might be supported in
> the future and we don't know when the bug will be properly fixed by the
> compiler. In addition we're enabling and "hiding" possibly undefined
> behaviour.
> 
> 3. Disable the broken feature and once the compiler bug is fixed enable it
> back warning users of old compilers that there is an action they can take:
> upgrade. This is exactly how this was handled for GCC previously, so there
> is a precedent.
> 
> This implements the 3'rd scenario which is also the first thing Arnd
> suggested in the original patch. :)

I agree that number three is definitely the most robust against the
future. I know that I periodically grep the tree for "bugs.llvm.org"
because we always file something on LLVM's bug tracker when we have to
work around something in the kernel. I think this patch is totally fine
as is, hopefully we can get it fixed in LLVM sooner rather than later.

Cheers,
Nathan

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-06 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-06  5:14 [PATCH 0/2] arm: lib: xor-neon: Remove warn & disble neon vect Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06  5:14 ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06  5:14 ` [PATCH 1/2] arm: lib: xor-neon: remove unnecessary GCC < 4.6 warning Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06  5:14   ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06 14:46   ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-11-06 14:46     ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-11-06 18:03     ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-11-06 18:03       ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-11-06 21:46       ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-11-06 21:46         ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-11-06  5:14 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm: lib: xor-neon: disable clang vectorization Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06  5:14   ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06 10:14   ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-11-06 10:14     ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-11-06 11:50     ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06 11:50       ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-06 18:01       ` Nathan Chancellor [this message]
2020-11-06 18:01         ` Nathan Chancellor
2020-11-06 19:52       ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-06 19:52         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-07 18:07         ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-07 18:07           ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-09 19:53         ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-09 19:53           ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-10 21:41           ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 21:41             ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:15             ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-10 22:15               ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-10 22:36               ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:36                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:39                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:39                   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:39                   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:39                     ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-10 22:54                     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-10 22:54                       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-10 23:56             ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-10 23:56               ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-11  0:18               ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-11  0:18                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-11 14:15                 ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-11 14:15                   ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-12 21:50                   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-12 21:50                     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-12 21:55                     ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-12 21:55                       ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-07 10:22   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-07 10:22     ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-11-07 18:12     ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-07 18:12       ` Adrian Ratiu
2020-11-08 17:40   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-08 17:40     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-08 18:09     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-08 18:09       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-11-08 20:14       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-11-08 20:14         ` Ard Biesheuvel

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