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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Joel Fernandes (Google)" <joel@joelfernandes.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH -tip 18/32] kernel/entry: Add support for core-wide protection of kernel-mode
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 10:37:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201125093700.GP2414@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201117232003.3580179-19-joel@joelfernandes.org>

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 06:19:48PM -0500, Joel Fernandes (Google) wrote:
> Core-scheduling prevents hyperthreads in usermode from attacking each
> other, but it does not do anything about one of the hyperthreads
> entering the kernel for any reason. This leaves the door open for MDS
> and L1TF attacks with concurrent execution sequences between
> hyperthreads.
> 
> This patch therefore adds support for protecting all syscall and IRQ
> kernel mode entries. Care is taken to track the outermost usermode exit
> and entry using per-cpu counters. In cases where one of the hyperthreads
> enter the kernel, no additional IPIs are sent. Further, IPIs are avoided
> when not needed - example: idle and non-cookie HTs do not need to be
> forced into kernel mode.
> 
> More information about attacks:
> For MDS, it is possible for syscalls, IRQ and softirq handlers to leak
> data to either host or guest attackers. For L1TF, it is possible to leak
> to guest attackers. There is no possible mitigation involving flushing
> of buffers to avoid this since the execution of attacker and victims
> happen concurrently on 2 or more HTs.

>  .../admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt         |  11 +
>  include/linux/entry-common.h                  |  12 +-
>  include/linux/sched.h                         |  12 +
>  kernel/entry/common.c                         |  28 +-
>  kernel/sched/core.c                           | 241 ++++++++++++++++++
>  kernel/sched/sched.h                          |   3 +
>  6 files changed, 304 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> index bd1a5b87a5e2..b185c6ed4aba 100644
> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> @@ -4678,6 +4678,17 @@
>  
>  	sbni=		[NET] Granch SBNI12 leased line adapter
>  
> +	sched_core_protect_kernel=
> +			[SCHED_CORE] Pause SMT siblings of a core running in
> +			user mode, if at least one of the siblings of the core
> +			is running in kernel mode. This is to guarantee that
> +			kernel data is not leaked to tasks which are not trusted
> +			by the kernel. A value of 0 disables protection, 1
> +			enables protection. The default is 1. Note that protection
> +			depends on the arch defining the _TIF_UNSAFE_RET flag.
> +			Further, for protecting VMEXIT, arch needs to call
> +			KVM entry/exit hooks.
> +
>  	sched_debug	[KNL] Enables verbose scheduler debug messages.
>  
>  	schedstats=	[KNL,X86] Enable or disable scheduled statistics.

So I don't like the parameter name, it's too long. Also I don't like it
because its a boolean.

You're adding syscall,irq,kvm under a single knob where they're all due
to different flavours of broken. Different hardware might want/need
different combinations.

Hardware without MDS but with L1TF wouldn't need the syscall hook, but
you're not givng a choice here. And this is generic code, you can't
assume stuff like this.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-25  9:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-17 23:19 [PATCH -tip 00/32] Core scheduling (v9) Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 01/32] sched: Wrap rq::lock access Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-19 23:31   ` Singh, Balbir
2020-11-20 16:55     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-22  8:52       ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 02/32] sched: Introduce sched_class::pick_task() Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-19 23:56   ` Singh, Balbir
2020-11-20 16:58     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-25 23:19       ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-25 16:28   ` Vincent Guittot
2020-11-26  9:07     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-26 10:17       ` Vincent Guittot
2020-11-26 12:40         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 03/32] sched/fair: Fix pick_task_fair crashes due to empty rbtree Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-20 10:15   ` Singh, Balbir
2020-11-20 18:11     ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-11-23 22:31       ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-24  8:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 04/32] sched: Core-wide rq->lock Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-22  9:11   ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-24  8:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-26  0:35       ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 05/32] sched/fair: Add a few assertions Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 06/32] sched: Basic tracking of matching tasks Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 07/32] sched: Add core wide task selection and scheduling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 08/32] sched/fair: Fix forced idle sibling starvation corner case Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-22 10:35   ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 09/32] sched/fair: Snapshot the min_vruntime of CPUs on force idle Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-22 11:44   ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-23 12:31     ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-11-23 23:31       ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-24  9:09         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-25 23:17           ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-26  8:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 10/32] sched: Fix priority inversion of cookied task with sibling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-22 22:41   ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-24 18:30     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-25 23:05       ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-26  8:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-26 22:27           ` Balbir Singh
2020-12-01 17:49         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 11/32] sched: Enqueue task into core queue only after vruntime is updated Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 12/32] sched: Simplify the core pick loop for optimized case Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-24 12:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-24 17:04     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-25  8:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 13/32] sched: Trivial forced-newidle balancer Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-23  4:38   ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-23 15:07     ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-23 23:35       ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-24  0:32         ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-25 21:28           ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 14/32] sched: migration changes for core scheduling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-22 23:54   ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-23  4:36     ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-24 15:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-25  3:12         ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-25 22:57           ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-26  3:20             ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-26  8:32               ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-26  9:26                 ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-30  9:33                   ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-30 12:29                     ` Li, Aubrey
2020-12-02 14:09                       ` Li, Aubrey
2020-12-03  1:06                         ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-30 10:35   ` Vincent Guittot
2020-11-30 12:32     ` Li, Aubrey
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 15/32] sched: Improve snapshotting of min_vruntime for CGroups Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-24 10:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-24 17:07     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-25  8:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-24 10:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 16/32] irq_work: Cleanup Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 17/32] arch/x86: Add a new TIF flag for untrusted tasks Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-23  5:18   ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 18/32] kernel/entry: Add support for core-wide protection of kernel-mode Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-24 16:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-24 17:52     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-25  9:37   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2020-12-01 17:55     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-26  5:37   ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 19/32] entry/idle: Enter and exit kernel protection during idle entry and exit Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-24 16:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-24 18:03     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-25  8:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-01 18:24         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 20/32] entry/kvm: Protect the kernel when entering from guest Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 21/32] sched: CGroup tagging interface for core scheduling Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 22/32] sched: Split the cookie and setup per-task cookie on fork Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-25 11:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-01 18:56     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-25 11:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-01 19:20     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-12-01 19:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-02  6:36         ` Josh Don
2020-12-02  7:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-04  0:20             ` Josh Don
2020-12-06 17:49         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-25 11:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-01 19:16     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-25 11:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-01 19:11     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-12-01 19:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-06 18:15         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-25 12:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-01 18:38     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-25 13:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-01 18:52     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-30 23:05   ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 23/32] sched: Add a per-thread core scheduling interface Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-25 13:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-01 19:36     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-12-02 21:47   ` Chris Hyser
2020-12-02 23:13     ` chris hyser
2020-12-06 17:34     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-12-07 21:48       ` chris hyser
2020-12-09 18:52       ` Chris Hyser
2020-12-14 19:31         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-12-14 19:44           ` chris hyser
2020-12-14 23:25             ` Joel Fernandes
2020-12-15 14:56               ` chris hyser
2020-12-15 16:23               ` chris hyser
2020-12-15 18:13               ` Dhaval Giani
2020-12-16  0:35                 ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 24/32] sched: Release references to the per-task cookie on exit Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-25 13:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 25/32] sched: Refactor core cookie into struct Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 26/32] sched: Add a second-level tag for nested CGroup usecase Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-25 13:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-30 23:10     ` Balbir Singh
2020-12-01 20:08     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-12-02  6:18     ` Josh Don
2020-12-02  8:02       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-02 18:53         ` Tejun Heo
2020-12-04  0:51         ` Josh Don
2020-12-04 15:45           ` Tejun Heo
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 27/32] sched/debug: Add CGroup node for printing group cookie if SCHED_DEBUG Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 28/32] kselftest: Add tests for core-sched interface Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:19 ` [PATCH -tip 29/32] sched: Move core-scheduler interfacing code to a new file Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:20 ` [PATCH -tip 30/32] Documentation: Add core scheduling documentation Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-17 23:20 ` [PATCH -tip 31/32] sched: Add a coresched command line option Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-11-19 23:39   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-11-25 13:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-11-26  0:11     ` Balbir Singh
2020-11-17 23:20 ` [PATCH -tip 32/32] sched: Debug bits Joel Fernandes (Google)
2020-12-01  0:21   ` Balbir Singh
2021-01-15 15:10     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-11-24 11:48 ` [PATCH -tip 00/32] Core scheduling (v9) Vincent Guittot
2020-11-24 15:08   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-12-03  6:16     ` Ning, Hongyu

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