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From: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
To: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
Cc: Tobias Waldekranz <tobias@waldekranz.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, kuba@kernel.org, vivien.didelot@gmail.com,
	f.fainelli@gmail.com, j.vosburgh@gmail.com, vfalico@gmail.com,
	andy@greyhouse.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 net-next 2/4] net: dsa: Link aggregation support
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 18:26:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201208172624.GC2475207@lunn.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201208112350.kuvlaxqto37igczk@skbuf>

>     There are two points to be made:
>     - Recently we have seen people with non-DSA (pure switchdev) hardware
>       being compelled to write DSA drivers, because they noticed that a
>       large part of the middle layer had already been written, and it
>       presents an API with a lot of syntactic sugar. Maybe there is a
>       larger issue here in that the switchdev offloading APIs are fairly
>       bulky and repetitive, but that does not mean that we should be
>       encouraging the attitude "come to DSA, we have cookies".
>       https://lwn.net/ml/linux-kernel/20201125232459.378-1-lukma@denx.de/

We often see developers stumbling around in the dark, not knowing the
subsystems and how best to solve a problem. So i would not read too
much into that particular email discussion. It was just another
example of we the maintainers, trying to get an understanding of the
hardware and help point a developer in the right direction. We don't
consider DSA the solution for all switch problems.

We do however have a growing number of pure switchdev drivers now, so
it might be time to take a look and see what is common, and pull some
code out of the drivers and into a library. This is a common pattern
you see all over the kernel. One driver often leads the way with a new
subsystem, but it is not until you have a few different drivers using
the subsystem do you have a real feel for what is common and can be
pulled out of the drivers and into a framework.

       Andrew

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-08 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-02  9:13 [PATCH v3 net-next 0/4] net: dsa: Link aggregation support Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-02  9:13 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 1/4] net: bonding: Notify ports about their initial state Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-02 19:09   ` Jay Vosburgh
2020-12-02 21:52     ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-03  0:39       ` Jay Vosburgh
2020-12-03  8:16         ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-02  9:13 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 2/4] net: dsa: Link aggregation support Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-02 10:07   ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-02 10:51     ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-02 18:58   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-12-02 21:29     ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-02 21:32       ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-03 16:24   ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-03 20:53     ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-03 21:09       ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-03 21:35         ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-04  0:35           ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-03 21:57       ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-03 23:12         ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-04  0:56           ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-07 21:49             ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-04  1:33         ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-04  4:18           ` Florian Fainelli
2020-12-07 21:56             ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-03 20:48   ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-04  2:20   ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-07 21:19     ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-07 23:26       ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-09  8:57         ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-09 14:27           ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-09 15:21             ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-09 23:03               ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-04  4:04   ` Florian Fainelli
2020-12-08 11:23   ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-08 15:33     ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-08 16:37       ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-09  8:37         ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-09 10:53           ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-09 14:11             ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-09 16:04               ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-09 22:01                 ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-09 22:21                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-10 10:18                     ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-09 22:59                 ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-10  1:05                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-09 14:23             ` Andrew Lunn
2020-12-09 23:17               ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-08 17:26     ` Andrew Lunn [this message]
2020-12-11 20:50     ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-12 14:26       ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-13 21:18         ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-14  0:12           ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-12-14 11:42             ` Ido Schimmel
2020-12-16 15:15               ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-16 18:48                 ` Ido Schimmel
2020-12-14  9:41           ` Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-02  9:13 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 3/4] net: dsa: mv88e6xxx: " Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-02  9:13 ` [PATCH v3 net-next 4/4] net: dsa: tag_dsa: Support reception of packets from LAG devices Tobias Waldekranz
2020-12-04  3:58   ` Florian Fainelli

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