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From: Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Prarit Bhargava <prarit@redhat.com>,
	Alessandro Zummo <a.zummo@towertech.it>,
	linux-rtc@vger.kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 4/8] rtc: core: Make the sync offset default more realistic
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 00:59:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201210235908.GA1781038@piout.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201206220541.960333166@linutronix.de>

Hi,

On 06/12/2020 22:46:17+0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> The offset which is used to steer the start of an RTC synchronization
> update via rtc_set_ntp_time() is huge. The math behind this is:
> 
>   tsched       twrite(t2.tv_sec - 1) 	 t2 (seconds increment)
> 
> twrite - tsched is the transport time for the write to hit the device.
> 
> t2 - twrite depends on the chip and is for most chips one second.
> 
> The rtc_set_ntp_time() calculation of tsched is:
> 
>     tsched = t2 - 1sec - (t2 - twrite)
> 
> The default for the sync offset is 500ms which means that twrite - tsched
> is 500ms assumed that t2 - twrite is one second.
> 
> This is 0.5 seconds off for RTCs which are directly accessible by IO writes
> and probably for the majority of i2C/SPI based RTC off by an order of
> magnitude. Set it to 10ms which should bring it closer to reality.
> 
> The default can be adjusted by drivers (rtc_cmos does so) and could be
> adjusted further by a calibration method which is an orthogonal problem.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> ---
>  drivers/rtc/class.c |    2 +-
>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> 
> --- a/drivers/rtc/class.c
> +++ b/drivers/rtc/class.c
> @@ -201,7 +201,7 @@ static struct rtc_device *rtc_allocate_d
>  	device_initialize(&rtc->dev);
>  
>  	/* Drivers can revise this default after allocating the device. */
> -	rtc->set_offset_nsec =  NSEC_PER_SEC / 2;
> +	rtc->set_offset_nsec =  10 * NSEC_PER_MSEC;

I did retest, on a slow 100kHz i2c bus, with a fairly inconvenient RTC,
The maximum offset to set the RTC was 4845533ns so I'd say 10ms is too
large. Should we make that 5ms ?

Apart from that, on the series, you can add my
Acked-by: Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>

-- 
Alexandre Belloni, Bootlin
Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering
https://bootlin.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-11  0:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-06 21:46 [patch 0/8] ntp/rtc: Fixes and cleanups Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-06 21:46 ` [patch 1/8] rtc: mc146818: Prevent reading garbage Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 10:07   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2021-01-25 18:40   ` [patch 1/8] rtc: mc146818: Prevent reading garbage - bug Mickaël Salaün
2021-01-26 13:26     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-01-26 14:17       ` Mickaël Salaün
2021-01-26 15:35         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-01-26 17:02           ` [PATCH V2] rtc: mc146818: Detect and handle broken RTCs Thomas Gleixner
2021-01-26 18:00             ` Alexandre Belloni
2021-01-27  8:41             ` [tip: timers/urgent] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2021-01-31 10:59             ` [PATCH V2] " Dirk Gouders
2021-02-01 13:53               ` Serge Belyshev
2021-02-01 19:09                 ` [PATCH] rtc: mc146818: Dont test for bit 0-5 in Register D Thomas Gleixner
2021-02-01 19:24                   ` [PATCH V2] " Thomas Gleixner
2021-02-01 19:32                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-02-01 19:40                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-02-11 23:09                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2021-02-01 19:38                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2021-02-01 20:09                     ` Borislav Petkov
2021-02-01 20:15                     ` Dirk Gouders
2021-02-02  4:22                     ` Len Brown
2021-02-02 19:40                     ` [tip: timers/urgent] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2021-02-03 13:00                     ` [PATCH V2] " Mickaël Salaün
2020-12-06 21:46 ` [patch 2/8] rtc: mc146818: Reduce spinlock section in mc146818_set_time() Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 10:07   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-06 21:46 ` [patch 3/8] rtc: cmos: Make rtc_cmos sync offset correct Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 20:50   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-11 10:07   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-06 21:46 ` [patch 4/8] rtc: core: Make the sync offset default more realistic Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 20:55   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-10 23:59   ` Alexandre Belloni [this message]
2020-12-11  0:23     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11  0:28       ` Alexandre Belloni
2020-12-11 10:07   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-06 21:46 ` [patch 5/8] ntp: Make the RTC synchronization more reliable Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 12:47   ` Miroslav Lichvar
2020-12-07 20:59   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-11 10:07   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-29 19:41   ` [patch 5/8] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-01-11 10:12     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-01-11 10:40       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-12-06 21:46 ` [patch 6/8] ntp, rtc: Move rtc_set_ntp_time() to ntp code Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 20:59   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09  3:51     ` Alexandre Belloni
2020-12-11 10:07   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-06 21:46 ` [patch 7/8] ntp: Make the RTC sync offset less obscure Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 10:07   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-06 21:46 ` [patch 8/8] ntp: Consolidate the RTC update implementation Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 21:05   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-11  9:23     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 10:07   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-09  0:33 ` [patch 0/8] ntp/rtc: Fixes and cleanups Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-09  4:01   ` Alexandre Belloni
2020-12-09 12:39     ` Thomas Gleixner

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