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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-block <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/29] iov_iter: Switch to using a table of operations
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 01:30:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201211013053.GA107834@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjttbQzVUR-jSW-Q42iOUJtu4zCxYe9HO3ovLGOQ_3jSA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 10:21:17AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> So I think conceptually this is the right thing to do, but I have a
> couple of worries:
> 
>  - do we really need all those different versions? I'm thinking
> "iter_full" versions in particular. They I think the iter_full version
> could just be wrappers that call the regular iter thing and verify the
> end result is full (and revert if not). No?

Umm...  Not sure - iov_iter_revert() is not exactly light.  OTOH, it's
on a slow path...  Other variants:
	* save local copy, run of normal variant on iter, then copy
the saved back on failure
	* make a local copy, run the normal variant in _that_, then
copy it back on success.

Note that the entire thing is 5 words, and we end up reading all of
them anyway, so I wouldn't bet which variant ends up being faster -
that would need testing to compare.

I would certainly like to get rid of the duplication there, especially
if we are going to add copy_to_iter_full() and friends (there are
use cases for those).

>  - I worry a bit about the indirect call overhead and spectre v2.
> 
>    So yeah, it would be good to have benchmarks to make sure this
> doesn't regress for some simple case.
> 
> Other than those things, my initial reaction is "this does seem cleaner".

It does seem cleaner, all right, but that stuff is on fairly hot paths.
And I didn't want to mix the overhead of indirect calls into the picture,
so it turned into cascades of ifs with rather vile macros to keep the
size down.

It looks like the cost of indirects is noticable.  OTOH, there are
other iov_iter patches floating around, hopefully getting better
code generation.  Let's see how much do those give and if they win
considerably more than those several percents, revisit this series.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-11  1:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-21 14:13 [PATCH 00/29] RFC: iov_iter: Switch to using an ops table David Howells
2020-11-21 14:13 ` [PATCH 01/29] iov_iter: Switch to using a table of operations David Howells
2020-11-21 14:31   ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-11-23 23:21     ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-11-21 18:21   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-11  1:30     ` Al Viro [this message]
2020-11-22 13:33   ` David Howells
2020-11-22 13:58     ` David Laight
2020-11-22 19:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-11-22 22:34       ` David Laight
2020-11-22 22:46   ` David Laight
2020-11-23  8:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-11-23 10:31   ` David Howells
2020-11-23 23:42     ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-11-24 12:50     ` David Howells
2020-11-24 15:30       ` Jens Axboe
2020-11-27 17:14       ` David Howells
2020-11-23 11:14   ` David Howells
2020-12-03  6:45   ` [iov_iter] 9bd0e337c6: will-it-scale.per_process_ops -4.8% regression kernel test robot
2020-12-03  6:45     ` kernel test robot
2020-12-03 17:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-03 17:47       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-03 17:50       ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-03 17:50         ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-04 11:50     ` David Howells
2020-12-04 11:50       ` David Howells
2020-12-04 11:51     ` David Howells
2020-12-04 11:51       ` David Howells
2020-12-07 13:10       ` Oliver Sang
2020-12-07 13:10         ` Oliver Sang
2020-12-07 13:20       ` David Howells
2020-12-07 13:20         ` David Howells
2020-11-21 14:13 ` [PATCH 02/29] iov_iter: Split copy_page_to_iter() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:13 ` [PATCH 03/29] iov_iter: Split iov_iter_fault_in_readable David Howells
2020-11-21 14:13 ` [PATCH 04/29] iov_iter: Split the iterate_and_advance() macro David Howells
2020-11-21 14:14 ` [PATCH 05/29] iov_iter: Split copy_to_iter() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:14 ` [PATCH 06/29] iov_iter: Split copy_mc_to_iter() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:14 ` [PATCH 07/29] iov_iter: Split copy_from_iter() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:14 ` [PATCH 08/29] iov_iter: Split the iterate_all_kinds() macro David Howells
2020-11-21 14:14 ` [PATCH 09/29] iov_iter: Split copy_from_iter_full() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:14 ` [PATCH 10/29] iov_iter: Split copy_from_iter_nocache() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:14 ` [PATCH 11/29] iov_iter: Split copy_from_iter_flushcache() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:14 ` [PATCH 12/29] iov_iter: Split copy_from_iter_full_nocache() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:15 ` [PATCH 13/29] iov_iter: Split copy_page_from_iter() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:15 ` [PATCH 14/29] iov_iter: Split iov_iter_zero() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:15 ` [PATCH 15/29] iov_iter: Split copy_from_user_atomic() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:15 ` [PATCH 16/29] iov_iter: Split iov_iter_advance() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:15 ` [PATCH 17/29] iov_iter: Split iov_iter_revert() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:15 ` [PATCH 18/29] iov_iter: Split iov_iter_single_seg_count() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:15 ` [PATCH 19/29] iov_iter: Split iov_iter_alignment() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:15 ` [PATCH 20/29] iov_iter: Split iov_iter_gap_alignment() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:16 ` [PATCH 21/29] iov_iter: Split iov_iter_get_pages() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:16 ` [PATCH 22/29] iov_iter: Split iov_iter_get_pages_alloc() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:16 ` [PATCH 23/29] iov_iter: Split csum_and_copy_from_iter() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:16 ` [PATCH 24/29] iov_iter: Split csum_and_copy_from_iter_full() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:16 ` [PATCH 25/29] iov_iter: Split csum_and_copy_to_iter() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:16 ` [PATCH 26/29] iov_iter: Split iov_iter_npages() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:16 ` [PATCH 27/29] iov_iter: Split dup_iter() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:17 ` [PATCH 28/29] iov_iter: Split iov_iter_for_each_range() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:17 ` [PATCH 29/29] iov_iter: Remove iterate_all_kinds() and iterate_and_advance() David Howells
2020-11-21 14:34 ` [PATCH 00/29] RFC: iov_iter: Switch to using an ops table Pavel Begunkov
2020-11-21 18:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-11  3:24 ` Matthew Wilcox

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