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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] fs: add support for LOOKUP_NONBLOCK
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 02:35:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201211023555.GV3579531@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201210200114.525026-2-axboe@kernel.dk>

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 01:01:13PM -0700, Jens Axboe wrote:
> io_uring always punts opens to async context, since there's no control
> over whether the lookup blocks or not. Add LOOKUP_NONBLOCK to support
> just doing the fast RCU based lookups, which we know will not block. If
> we can do a cached path resolution of the filename, then we don't have
> to always punt lookups for a worker.
> 
> During path resolution, we always do LOOKUP_RCU first. If that fails and
> we terminate LOOKUP_RCU, then fail a LOOKUP_NONBLOCK attempt as well.

In effect you are adding a mode where
	* unlazy would fail, except when done from complete_walk()
	* ->d_revalidate() wouldn't be attempted at all (not even with LOOKUP_RCU)
	* ... but ->get_link() in RCU mode would
	* ... and so would everything done after complete_walk() in
do_open(), very much including the joys like mnt_want_write() (i.e. waiting for
frozen fs to thaw), handling O_TRUNC, calling ->open() itself...

So this "not punting lookups for a worker" looks fishy as hell - if you care
about blocking operations, you haven't really won anything.

And why exactly is the RCU case of ->d_revalidate() worth buggering off (it
really can't block - it's called under rcu_read_lock() and it does *not*
drop it)?

_IF_ for some theoretical exercise you want to do "lookup without dropping
out of RCU", just add a flag that has unlazy_walk() fail.  With -ECHILD.
Strip it away in complete_walk() and have path_init() with that flag
and without LOOKUP_RCU fail with -EAGAIN.  All there is to it.

It still leaves you with fuckloads of blocking operations (and that's
"blocking" with "until admin thaws the damn filesystem several hours
down the road") after complete_walk(), though.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-11  2:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-10 20:01 [PATCHSET 0/2] fs: Support for LOOKUP_NONBLOCK / RESOLVE_NONBLOCK Jens Axboe
2020-12-10 20:01 ` [PATCH 1/2] fs: add support for LOOKUP_NONBLOCK Jens Axboe
2020-12-10 20:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-10 21:06     ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-11  2:45       ` Al Viro
2020-12-11 16:05         ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-11 17:20           ` Al Viro
2020-12-11 17:35             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-11 18:50             ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-11 21:51               ` Al Viro
2020-12-11 23:47                 ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-11 17:33           ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-11 18:55             ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-11  2:35   ` Al Viro [this message]
2020-12-11 15:57     ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-11 17:21       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-11 17:29         ` Al Viro
2020-12-11 17:38           ` Al Viro
2020-12-11 17:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-11 21:46           ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-10 20:01 ` [PATCH 2/2] fs: expose LOOKUP_NONBLOCK through openat2() RESOLVE_NONBLOCK Jens Axboe
2020-12-10 22:29   ` Dave Chinner
2020-12-10 23:12     ` Jens Axboe
2020-12-10 23:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-11  0:58       ` Dave Chinner
2020-12-11  1:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-11  3:45           ` Dave Chinner
2020-12-11 18:07             ` Linus Torvalds

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