From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E99C433DB for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 00:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F8522AB9 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 00:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726846AbhAKAf0 (ORCPT ); Sun, 10 Jan 2021 19:35:26 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:56896 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726049AbhAKAf0 (ORCPT ); Sun, 10 Jan 2021 19:35:26 -0500 Received: from pandora.armlinux.org.uk (pandora.armlinux.org.uk [IPv6:2001:4d48:ad52:32c8:5054:ff:fe00:142]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DA47C061786 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:34:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=armlinux.org.uk; s=pandora-2019; h=Sender:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=0cyTYomTYRleb2ivxdiXv+EK4ye6kzvnUXElS+kgyYE=; b=aAxpuPMBpQ12U+b3ThpHyBFhF brySmDrHOp+5m+dNTxnmQWi+xvlxOzOGO+H3a0wSzJmIOVCnV+pcaEURbNyqAySga1sM5nkYJ9QRP bnPf3mXhcNkYqeBBbSMYYPtBCIk2iRqBdb7SWfipk/8AF35L0Vgrly12XFDYTyTshhyQJd0lqPQsu tnkY9DClbDaldQXjFxFfZKntj1Fu+T40J+i6lDbuXx5+3LEBL5aLaRqj/kLznLkp5f8CtC2BhXwZK ROyU/e/VSevHpy3cZnMYV4+pNdGUtP6Stww3G/E4USElKPzook1Jv+CYqFi4hdlSgcKTZt0y/wAkz rFACq5Fkw==; Received: from shell.armlinux.org.uk ([fd8f:7570:feb6:1:5054:ff:fe00:4ec]:46376) by pandora.armlinux.org.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kyl9G-0006OC-7b; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 00:33:30 +0000 Received: from linux by shell.armlinux.org.uk with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kyl96-0004g6-RB; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 00:33:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 00:33:20 +0000 From: Russell King - ARM Linux admin To: Linus Walleij Cc: Fabian Vogt , Baruch Siach , Geert Uytterhoeven , Neil Armstrong , Viresh Kumar , Daniel Tang , Jamie Iles , Krzysztof Adamski , Alexander Shiyan , Michael Ellerman , Wei Xu , Oleksij Rempel , Alex Elder , Marc Gonzalez , Hans Ulli Kroll , Uwe =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kleine-K=F6nig?= , Steven Rostedt , Vladimir Zapolskiy , Lubomir Rintel , Koen Vandeputte , Linux ARM , Barry Song , Arnd Bergmann , Thomas Bogendoerfer , Yoshinori Sato , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Jonas Jensen , Hartley Sweeten , Mark Salter , Shawn Guo Subject: Re: Old platforms: bring out your dead Message-ID: <20210111003320.GQ1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk> References: <67171E13-6786-4B44-A8C2-3302963B055F@gmail.com> <1702853.1557dWfJA4@linux-e202.suse.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: Russell King - ARM Linux admin Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33:56PM +0100, Linus Walleij wrote: > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 7:16 PM Fabian Vogt wrote: > > Am Samstag, 9. Januar 2021, 23:20:48 CET schrieb Arnd Bergmann: > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 1:06 AM Daniel Tang wrote: > > > > > * nspire -- added in 2013, no notable changes after 2015 > > > > Most of the platform is just the DT sources and some small drivers around it, > > so it's actually fairly low maintenance. So far the migration away from > > panel-simple in 2019 > > (https://lore.kernel.org/linux-arm-kernel/20190805085847.25554-1-linus.walleij@linaro.org) > > was the biggest required change so far. > > What we're seeing here is actually a port that is: > - Finished > - Has a complete set of working drivers > - Supported > - Just works > > I.e. it doesn't see much patches because it is pretty much perfect. > > We are so unused to this situation that it can be mistaken for > the device being abandoned. > > I think it was Russell who first pointed out that this is actually > the case for a few machines. Yes indeed. I find it utterly rediculous that there is a perception that you constantly need to be patching a bit of software for it to not be seen as abandoned. If a piece of software works and does what it needs to do, why does it need to be continually patched? It makes no sense to me. I have my xf86-video-armada which I use on the Dove Cubox and iMX6 platforms. It does what I need it to, and I haven't updated the userspace on these platforms for a while. Therefore, I've no reason to patch that code, and no one has sent me patches. Does that mean it's abandoned? Absolutely not. Some people are just weird and think that unless stuff is constantly worked on, no one cares about it. -- RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/ FTTP is here! 40Mbps down 10Mbps up. Decent connectivity at last! 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 10:33:56PM +0100, Linus Walleij wrote: > On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 7:16 PM Fabian Vogt wrote: > > Am Samstag, 9. Januar 2021, 23:20:48 CET schrieb Arnd Bergmann: > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 1:06 AM Daniel Tang wrote: > > > > > * nspire -- added in 2013, no notable changes after 2015 > > > > Most of the platform is just the DT sources and some small drivers around it, > > so it's actually fairly low maintenance. So far the migration away from > > panel-simple in 2019 > > (https://lore.kernel.org/linux-arm-kernel/20190805085847.25554-1-linus.walleij@linaro.org) > > was the biggest required change so far. > > What we're seeing here is actually a port that is: > - Finished > - Has a complete set of working drivers > - Supported > - Just works > > I.e. it doesn't see much patches because it is pretty much perfect. > > We are so unused to this situation that it can be mistaken for > the device being abandoned. > > I think it was Russell who first pointed out that this is actually > the case for a few machines. Yes indeed. I find it utterly rediculous that there is a perception that you constantly need to be patching a bit of software for it to not be seen as abandoned. If a piece of software works and does what it needs to do, why does it need to be continually patched? It makes no sense to me. I have my xf86-video-armada which I use on the Dove Cubox and iMX6 platforms. It does what I need it to, and I haven't updated the userspace on these platforms for a while. Therefore, I've no reason to patch that code, and no one has sent me patches. Does that mean it's abandoned? Absolutely not. Some people are just weird and think that unless stuff is constantly worked on, no one cares about it. -- RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/ FTTP is here! 40Mbps down 10Mbps up. Decent connectivity at last! _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel