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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] xfs: separate CIL commit record IO
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 09:25:59 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210129222559.GT4662@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210129145851.GB2660974@bfoster>

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 09:58:51AM -0500, Brian Foster wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 08:22:21AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:07:41AM -0500, Brian Foster wrote:
> > > FYI, I finally got to reading your prior log cache flushing thread
> > > yesterday afternoon. I was planning to revisit that and probably reply
> > > this morning after having some time to digest, but saw this and so will
> > > reply here..
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 03:41:51PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > > From: Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
> > > > 
> > > > To allow for iclog IO device cache flush behaviour to be optimised,
> > > > we first need to separate out the commit record iclog IO from the
> > > > rest of the checkpoint so we can wait for the checkpoint IO to
> > > > complete before we issue the commit record.
> > > > 
> > > > This separate is only necessary if the commit record is being
> > > > written into a different iclog to the start of the checkpoint. If
> > > > the entire checkpoint and commit is in the one iclog, then they are
> > > > both covered by the one set of cache flush primitives on the iclog
> > > > and hence there is no need to separate them.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I find the description here a bit vague.. we have to separate out the
> > > commit record I/O, but only if it's already separate..?
> > 
> > Yes, because if the commit record is in a different iclog to the
> > start of the checkpoint, we have to ensure that the start of the
> > checkpoint has been written and completed before we issue a
> > PREFLUSH, otherwise the cache flush is not guaranteed to capture
> > that IO. i.e. the block layer cache flushing mechanisms do not order
> > against IOs in flight, only completed IOs. Hence if the commit
> > record is in a different iclog, we have to wait for the other iclogs
> > to complete before flushign the cache. If the checkpoint is wholly
> > contained within a single iclog, then we don't have to wait for
> > anything, the single journal IO has all the cache flushes we need.
> > 
> 
> Yeah, I get the functional behavior. I think the commit log would do
> better to refer to serializing or ordering the commit record (when split
> or separate) as opposed to separating it.

Except we already have "ordering the commit record" functionality
implemented in the CIL push code, where it explicitly orders the
commit record for the push against the commit records of other
pushes in progress.

SO I don't think naming it "ordering the commit record" improves the
situation because it introduces ambiguity into what that means. It's
also not serialisation...

> > > > +int
> > > > +xlog_wait_on_iclog_lsn(
> > > > +	struct xlog_in_core	*iclog,
> > > > +	xfs_lsn_t		start_lsn)
> > > > +{
> > > > +	struct xlog		*log = iclog->ic_log;
> > > > +	struct xlog_in_core	*prev;
> > > > +	int			error = -EIO;
> > > > +
> > > > +	spin_lock(&log->l_icloglock);
> > > > +	if (XLOG_FORCED_SHUTDOWN(log))
> > > > +		goto out_unlock;
> > > > +
> > > > +	error = 0;
> > > > +	for (prev = iclog->ic_prev; prev != iclog; prev = prev->ic_prev) {
> > > > +
> > > > +		/* Done if the lsn is before our start lsn */
> > > > +		if (XFS_LSN_CMP(be64_to_cpu(prev->ic_header.h_lsn),
> > > > +				start_lsn) < 0)
> > > > +			break;
> > > 
> > > Hmm.. that logic looks a bit dodgy when you consider that the iclog
> > > header lsn is reset to zero on activation. I think it actually works as
> > > intended because iclog completion reactivates iclogs in LSN order and
> > > this loop walks in reverse order, but that is a very subtle connection
> > > that might be useful to document.
> > 
> > It is documented in the comment above the function "We walk
> > backwards through the iclogs to find the iclog....". A newly
> > activated iclog will have an LSN of zero, and that means there are
> > no prior iclogs in the list in the range we need to flush because of
> > the completion ordering guarantees we have for iclog IO (i.e. they
> > are always completed in ring order, not IO completion order).
> > 
> 
> Can you update the comment with that sentence to be more explicit about
> the zero LSN case?


> 
> > > > diff --git a/fs/xfs/xfs_log_cil.c b/fs/xfs/xfs_log_cil.c
> > > > index b0ef071b3cb5..c5cc1b7ad25e 100644
> > > > --- a/fs/xfs/xfs_log_cil.c
> > > > +++ b/fs/xfs/xfs_log_cil.c
> > > > @@ -870,6 +870,13 @@ xlog_cil_push_work(
> > > >  	wake_up_all(&cil->xc_commit_wait);
> > > >  	spin_unlock(&cil->xc_push_lock);
> > > >  
> > > > +	/*
> > > > +	 * If the checkpoint spans multiple iclogs, wait for all previous
> > > > +	 * iclogs to complete before we submit the commit_iclog.
> > > > +	 */
> > > > +	if (ctx->start_lsn != commit_lsn)
> > > > +		xlog_wait_on_iclog_lsn(commit_iclog, ctx->start_lsn);
> > > > +
> > > 
> > > This is an interesting serialization point because we don't necessarily
> > > submit the iclog that holds the commit record. I actually think in most
> > > cases the separate commit record won't land on disk until the next CIL
> > > push causes a sync of the current head iclog (assuming it fills it up).
> > 
> > Which is exactly what happens now. It's not a big deal, because if
> > we are running a sync transaction, the log force will push it to
> > disk and wait for it. CIL pushes are not synchronous and never have
> > been - the log force is what creates the appearance of synchronous
> > behaviour to the caller...
> > 
> 
> Right, but otherwise the CIL push blocks on previous checkpoints (and
> now the majority of the current checkpoint) only to write the commit
> record into an iclog and probably not submit it until the next CIL
> checkpoint.

That's exactly the same behaviour we have now. Nothing guarantees
that the iclog containing a commit record is written immediately.
So this simply isn't a concern because we are not changing
behaviour.

> I agree it's probably not a big deal. The same behavior
> likely repeats for subsequent CIL pushes, so it may not even be
> noticeable. This is just an observation that we're compounding more
> serialization

This does not add serialisation!

Serialisation means you do something that will stall *other tasks*
because they have to wait for the current task to finish before they
can proceed. Adding an _ordering delay_ into an unserialised task
does not create new serialisation points, it just lengthens the
runtime of that task.

> on another bit of a historical impedance mismatch between
> delayed logging and the underlying layer. We've potentially just wrote
> out a large context, yet none of the attached items can be processed
> until another checkpoint occurs because the callbacks that do AIL
> insertion and whatnot don't run until the iclog with the commit record
> hits the disk.

Yup, classic two phase commit algorithm behaviour right there. We
already have this occurring and it most definitely is not a problem
that we need to solve. Indeed, this behaviour is the prime reason
for log covering to exist...

> This isn't necessarily a commentary on this patch, but it would be nice
> if we could start thinking about handling that situation better;
> particularly if we've just blocked waiting for the majority of that
> checkpoint I/O to complete.

The thing is, we are already blocking  waiting for iclog IO to
complete. We're doing it at a rate of at lease 1 in every 4 iclogs
we need to fill in long running checkpoints. So the CIL push that
needs to write a thousand iclogs before the commit record is written
has already blocked on iclog IO completion at least 250 times.

In comaprison, with the cache flush changes and this commit record
separation, I'm seeing the iclog block rate drop to 1 in 100 iclogs
written. The fact is that cache flushing is -far more expensive- and
results is far more blocking and IO completion waiting in the CIL
push than this code that orders the commit record by waiting for
iclog completion to occur.

CIL checkpoint submission is far more IO efficient and *much lower
latency* with this single software level ordering delay than using
hardware cache flushes to guarantee ordering. To focus on "this
new ordering delay might add latency" completely misses the bigger
picture that we just replaced 2-3 orders of magnitude of IO blocking
delays with a single ordering delay.

That's what's important here - it's not that we've added a single
ordering delay into the checkpoint, but that we've removed
*hundreds* of IO blocking delays in the checkpoint writing process.

> That means there's an increased chance that
> the next iclog in the ring may be active. Perhaps we could introduce
> some logic to switch out the commit record iclog before the CIL push
> returns in those particular cases.  For example, switch out if the
> current checkpoint hit multiple iclogs..? Or hit multiple iclogs and the
> next iclog in the ring is clean..?

We could just call xlog_state_switch_iclogs() to mark it WANT_SYNC,
but then we can't aggregate more changes into it and fill it up. If
someone starts waiting on that iclog (i.e. a log force), then it
immediately gets marked WANT_SYNC and submitted to disk when it is
released. But if there is no-one waiting on it, then we largely
don't care if an asynchronous checkpoint is committed immediately,
at the start of the next checkpoint, or at worst, within 30s when
the log worker next kicks a log force....

It's just not necessary to ensure the commit record hits the disk
with minimal latency...

> > > From a performance perspective, it seems like this makes the CIL push
> > > _nearly_ synchronous by default.
> > 
> > Nope, not at all. There is nothing waiting on the CIL push to
> > complete, except maybe a log force waiting for the iclogs to be
> > synced to disk and completed.
> > 
> 
> Right, that's sort of the point... we have various places that issue
> async log forces. These async log forces push the CIL, which
> historically only ever blocks on log I/O by virtue of waiting on iclog
> space. IOW, there is a bit of runway between an async CIL push blocking
> on I/O or not provided by the iclog mechanism.
> 
> With this patch, a CIL push (and thus an async log force) now does not
> return until all but the commit record iclog have been submitted for I/O
> and completed.

Same as right now. I have not changed anything.

> The log force will then submit the commit record log, but
> then not wait on it. This is obviously not a functional problem since a
> CIL push was never guaranteed to not block at all (iclogs are a limited
> resource), but there's clearly a change in behavior here worth reasoning
> about for async forces..

No, there is no change in behaviour at all. The log force in both
cases submits the commit record.

> > > I.e., if we have a several hundred MB
> > > CIL context,
> > 
> > Not possible. A 2GB log has a hard throttle limit now of 64MB.
> > 
> 
> Well, I don't think the throttle guarantees an upper bound on the
> context size, but that's a different topic.

Sure, it's a bit lazy. But once you capture the user tasks that run
commits on the throttle, the size stops growing.

> That was just an example of
> a largish sized checkpoint. 64MB is still plenty enough to require
> multiple passes through the set of iclogs. Regardless, I think the
> before and after change is not significant given that a 64MB checkpoint
> already requires internal blocking to reuse iclog space as the
> checkpoint flushes anyways. So it's really just (l_iclog_bufs - 1) of
> additional I/O we're waiting for in the worst case.

I put the metrics that prove this assertion wrong are in the commit
message of the next patch. i.e. I measured how many "noiclog" events
are occuring during CIL checkpoints. I mentioned that above already
- reducing the IO blocking rate from hundreds of events per
checkpoint down to a small handful is a major win....

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-01-29 22:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-28  4:41 [PATCH 0/5] xfs: various log stuff Dave Chinner
2021-01-28  4:41 ` [PATCH 1/5] xfs: log stripe roundoff is a property of the log Dave Chinner
2021-01-28 14:57   ` Brian Foster
2021-01-28 20:59     ` Dave Chinner
2021-01-28 21:25   ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-01-28 22:00     ` Dave Chinner
2021-01-28  4:41 ` [PATCH 2/5] xfs: separate CIL commit record IO Dave Chinner
2021-01-28 15:07   ` Brian Foster
2021-01-28 21:22     ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]       ` <20210129145851.GB2660974@bfoster>
2021-01-29 22:25         ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2021-02-01 16:07           ` Brian Foster
2021-01-30  9:13   ` Chandan Babu R
2021-02-01 12:59   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-01-28  4:41 ` [PATCH 3/5] xfs: journal IO cache flush reductions Dave Chinner
2021-01-28 15:12   ` Brian Foster
2021-01-28 21:46     ` Dave Chinner
2021-01-28 21:26   ` Dave Chinner
2021-01-30 12:56   ` Chandan Babu R
2021-01-28  4:41 ` [PATCH 4/5] xfs: Fix CIL throttle hang when CIL space used going backwards Dave Chinner
2021-01-28 16:53   ` Brian Foster
2021-02-02  5:52   ` Chandan Babu R
2021-02-17 11:33   ` Paul Menzel
2021-02-17 21:06   ` Donald Buczek
2021-01-28  4:41 ` [PATCH 5/5] xfs: reduce buffer log item shadow allocations Dave Chinner
2021-01-28 16:54   ` Brian Foster
2021-01-28 21:58     ` Dave Chinner
2021-02-02 12:01   ` Chandan Babu R
2021-02-01 12:39 ` [PATCH 0/5] xfs: various log stuff Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-03 21:20   ` Dave Chinner

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