From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68A6C433E0 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ml01.01.org (ml01.01.org [198.145.21.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DFFE64E32 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:23 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 3DFFE64E32 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=srcf.ucam.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-nvdimm-bounces@lists.01.org Received: from ml01.vlan13.01.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ml01.01.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3030100EB844; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=176.126.240.207; helo=cavan.codon.org.uk; envelope-from=mjg59@codon.org.uk; receiver= Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk (cavan.codon.org.uk [176.126.240.207]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ml01.01.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB2DE100EB831 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by cavan.codon.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2000340A21; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:18 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Mike Rapoport Subject: Re: [PATCH v17 08/10] PM: hibernate: disable when there are active secretmem users Message-ID: <20210222182718.GA15105@codon.org.uk> References: <20210208084920.2884-1-rppt@kernel.org> <20210208084920.2884-9-rppt@kernel.org> <20210222073452.GA30403@codon.org.uk> <20210222102359.GE1447004@kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210222102359.GE1447004@kernel.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Message-ID-Hash: KF5C5BPBMZB4DIFVJN5WPONXUBBPKNQB X-Message-ID-Hash: KF5C5BPBMZB4DIFVJN5WPONXUBBPKNQB X-MailFrom: mjg59@codon.org.uk X-Mailman-Rule-Hits: nonmember-moderation X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation CC: Andrew Morton , Alexander Viro , Andy Lutomirski , Arnd Bergmann , Borislav Petkov , Catalin Marinas , Christopher Lameter , Dave Hansen , David Hildenbrand , Elena Reshetova , "H. Peter Anvin" , Ingo Molnar , James Bottomley , "Kirill A. Shutemov" , Matthew Wilcox , Mark Rutland , Michal Hocko , Mike Rapoport , Michael Kerrisk , Palmer Dabbelt , Paul Walmsley , Peter Zijlstra , Rick Edgecombe , Roman Gushchin , Shakeel Butt , Shuah Khan , Thomas Gleix ner , Tycho Andersen , Will Deacon , linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, x86@kernel.org, Hagen Paul Pfeifer , Palmer Dabbelt X-Mailman-Version: 3.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: "Linux-nvdimm developer list." Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:23:59PM +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 07:34:52AM +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 10:49:18AM +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote: > > > > > It is unsafe to allow saving of secretmem areas to the hibernation > > > snapshot as they would be visible after the resume and this essentially > > > will defeat the purpose of secret memory mappings. > > > > Sorry for being a bit late to this - from the point of view of running > > processes (and even the kernel once resume is complete), hibernation is > > effectively equivalent to suspend to RAM. Why do they need to be handled > > differently here? > > Hibernation leaves a copy of the data on the disk which we want to prevent. Who are you worried about seeing it, and at what points in time? _______________________________________________ Linux-nvdimm mailing list -- linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org To unsubscribe send an email to linux-nvdimm-leave@lists.01.org From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E00DC433E0 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1AA64EC3 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232561AbhBVS2v (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Feb 2021 13:28:51 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:54060 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S232100AbhBVS2B (ORCPT ); Mon, 22 Feb 2021 13:28:01 -0500 Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk (cavan.codon.org.uk [IPv6:2a00:1098:84:22e::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A89AFC06178A; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by cavan.codon.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2000340A21; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:18 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Mike Rapoport Cc: Andrew Morton , Alexander Viro , Andy Lutomirski , Arnd Bergmann , Borislav Petkov , Catalin Marinas , Christopher Lameter , Dan Williams , Dave Hansen , David Hildenbrand , Elena Reshetova , "H. Peter Anvin" , Ingo Molnar , James Bottomley , "Kirill A. Shutemov" , Matthew Wilcox , Mark Rutland , Michal Hocko , Mike Rapoport , Michael Kerrisk , Palmer Dabbelt , Paul Walmsley , Peter Zijlstra , Rick Edgecombe , Roman Gushchin , Shakeel Butt , Shuah Khan , Thomas Gleixner , Tycho Andersen , Will Deacon , linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, x86@kernel.org, Hagen Paul Pfeifer , Palmer Dabbelt Subject: Re: [PATCH v17 08/10] PM: hibernate: disable when there are active secretmem users Message-ID: <20210222182718.GA15105@codon.org.uk> References: <20210208084920.2884-1-rppt@kernel.org> <20210208084920.2884-9-rppt@kernel.org> <20210222073452.GA30403@codon.org.uk> <20210222102359.GE1447004@kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210222102359.GE1447004@kernel.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:23:59PM +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 07:34:52AM +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 10:49:18AM +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote: > > > > > It is unsafe to allow saving of secretmem areas to the hibernation > > > snapshot as they would be visible after the resume and this essentially > > > will defeat the purpose of secret memory mappings. > > > > Sorry for being a bit late to this - from the point of view of running > > processes (and even the kernel once resume is complete), hibernation is > > effectively equivalent to suspend to RAM. Why do they need to be handled > > differently here? > > Hibernation leaves a copy of the data on the disk which we want to prevent. Who are you worried about seeing it, and at what points in time? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D16C433E6 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from merlin.infradead.org (merlin.infradead.org [205.233.59.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D04364E77 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:35 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 0D04364E77 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=srcf.ucam.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-riscv-bounces+linux-riscv=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=merlin.20170209; h=Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Cc:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post:List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:To:From:Date:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Owner; bh=7mZoNlCnObTK0Bctu/lqmRROe6sFw01N2yjfc41Q6LE=; b=C4rO9LzPhbxiSvJREZpkuizSu Lb4qf6igIzRNQAh1/wWofs3UJKuYF4J1Yp2dFy6DBOgIoTqRvRRQBUyINEuarrmryFooWADQE6zYq ne6JwwYMpjGtICN1JyFSn1mi4oo3g4aaevfQwj43DMucxzJHVOp6BIUic9D26QVDrIGUSvjdtgTDB Wvdmde+kx0dyQVwTH63iMS0Ou638BNKkjlffL5AFvlyWBYK5BdZ2PAJYDvLo6kGEzRmvwOnk0lnjW PZ6xg0v1/w122bKdQUu8PoiWlwCcMOlTuddzmJbHOEQzP4LhFaRhPYLBEWyqcXLiAYTDjCHMrfDlC SbYhTuLPQ==; Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=merlin.infradead.org) by merlin.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1lEFvY-0001N2-6I; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:24 +0000 Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk ([176.126.240.207]) by merlin.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1lEFvT-0001LV-Tu; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:21 +0000 Received: by cavan.codon.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2000340A21; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:18 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Mike Rapoport Subject: Re: [PATCH v17 08/10] PM: hibernate: disable when there are active secretmem users Message-ID: <20210222182718.GA15105@codon.org.uk> References: <20210208084920.2884-1-rppt@kernel.org> <20210208084920.2884-9-rppt@kernel.org> <20210222073452.GA30403@codon.org.uk> <20210222102359.GE1447004@kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210222102359.GE1447004@kernel.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20210222_132720_098502_A50B9467 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 16.39 ) X-BeenThere: linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Mark Rutland , Michal Hocko , David Hildenbrand , Peter Zijlstra , Catalin Marinas , Dave Hansen , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" , Christopher Lameter , Shuah Khan , Thomas Gleixner , Elena Reshetova , linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Tycho Andersen , linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, Will Deacon , x86@kernel.org, Matthew Wilcox , Mike Rapoport , Ingo Molnar , Michael Kerrisk , Palmer Dabbelt , Arnd Bergmann , James Bottomley , Hagen Paul Pfeifer , Borislav Petkov , Alexander Viro , Andy Lutomirski , Paul Walmsley , "Kirill A. Shutemov" , Dan Williams , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, Palmer Dabbelt , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Shakeel Butt , Andrew Morton , Rick Edgecombe , Roman Gushchin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-riscv" Errors-To: linux-riscv-bounces+linux-riscv=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:23:59PM +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 07:34:52AM +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 10:49:18AM +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote: > > > > > It is unsafe to allow saving of secretmem areas to the hibernation > > > snapshot as they would be visible after the resume and this essentially > > > will defeat the purpose of secret memory mappings. > > > > Sorry for being a bit late to this - from the point of view of running > > processes (and even the kernel once resume is complete), hibernation is > > effectively equivalent to suspend to RAM. Why do they need to be handled > > differently here? > > Hibernation leaves a copy of the data on the disk which we want to prevent. Who are you worried about seeing it, and at what points in time? _______________________________________________ linux-riscv mailing list linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-riscv From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DEAC433E0 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from merlin.infradead.org (merlin.infradead.org [205.233.59.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11D6664DDA for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:28:35 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 11D6664DDA Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=srcf.ucam.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lists.infradead.org; s=merlin.20170209; h=Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type:Cc:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post:List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:To:From:Date:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Owner; bh=lm8fr3lpjhXbT6DoCjFrKNj1iV5pJh5+S9h3VtbEYC8=; b=X9KuI4LkRnCe6S2cyKUq+3z3I EQ9Dh7iFp78Y+/Bv7qAwnq5j1OAdzumaVYgQn8xa8Kh6u+1d4BgyR8M5NHwRQUyU8GKZstP3FzrVC UR7eFGbysCuIWxEbqAXgBdjGOcGUbjCfJspm4G30wc6bYRBme3p2Y4jlmtO/sPo46jLw68Yrs2ook 3teyMv++v1K2edreSzrB6ehK6vN+h2qJZWfN59OL815uRGOQFLF7L+Of37HHPHiBthnvcJjnMRNMy Kzg/FCqTBHy0Zw2PeIemdT5ke15kj8u9auw0qd30D0I1MIZJrtXVMItNBB3ecsj7sJOAo9WATf/D/ dkOCvU+Ng==; Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=merlin.infradead.org) by merlin.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1lEFvW-0001MN-BS; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:22 +0000 Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk ([176.126.240.207]) by merlin.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1lEFvT-0001LV-Tu; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:21 +0000 Received: by cavan.codon.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2000340A21; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:27:18 +0000 From: Matthew Garrett To: Mike Rapoport Subject: Re: [PATCH v17 08/10] PM: hibernate: disable when there are active secretmem users Message-ID: <20210222182718.GA15105@codon.org.uk> References: <20210208084920.2884-1-rppt@kernel.org> <20210208084920.2884-9-rppt@kernel.org> <20210222073452.GA30403@codon.org.uk> <20210222102359.GE1447004@kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210222102359.GE1447004@kernel.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20210222_132720_098502_A50B9467 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 16.39 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Mark Rutland , Michal Hocko , David Hildenbrand , Peter Zijlstra , Catalin Marinas , Dave Hansen , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" , Christopher Lameter , Shuah Khan , Thomas Gleixner , Elena Reshetova , linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Tycho Andersen , linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, Will Deacon , x86@kernel.org, Matthew Wilcox , Mike Rapoport , Ingo Molnar , Michael Kerrisk , Palmer Dabbelt , Arnd Bergmann , James Bottomley , Hagen Paul Pfeifer , Borislav Petkov , Alexander Viro , Andy Lutomirski , Paul Walmsley , "Kirill A. Shutemov" , Dan Williams , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, Palmer Dabbelt , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Shakeel Butt , Andrew Morton , Rick Edgecombe , Roman Gushchin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:23:59PM +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 07:34:52AM +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 08, 2021 at 10:49:18AM +0200, Mike Rapoport wrote: > > > > > It is unsafe to allow saving of secretmem areas to the hibernation > > > snapshot as they would be visible after the resume and this essentially > > > will defeat the purpose of secret memory mappings. > > > > Sorry for being a bit late to this - from the point of view of running > > processes (and even the kernel once resume is complete), hibernation is > > effectively equivalent to suspend to RAM. Why do they need to be handled > > differently here? > > Hibernation leaves a copy of the data on the disk which we want to prevent. Who are you worried about seeing it, and at what points in time? _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel