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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
Cc: Matthias Schwarzott <zzam@gentoo.org>,
	usb-storage@lists.one-eyed-alien.net, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp
Subject: Re: [systemd-devel] [usb-storage] Re: Amazon Kindle disconnect after Synchronize Cache
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:04:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210316170433.GD448722@rowland.harvard.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <031a20c5-27c3-cc13-6e0b-a308644abce4@redhat.com>

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 05:43:34PM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 3/16/21 5:26 PM, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 06:26:30AM +0100, Matthias Schwarzott wrote:
> >> I implemented solution 3b. This is the pullrequest for udev (systemd
> >> repository):
> >>
> >> 	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/19002
> >>
> >> Now Lennart asks if udev is the best place for such hacks/work-arounds?
> >>
> >> Well, I implemented it as suggested by Alan (see above). This was the
> >> simplest of the considered alternatives. Different quirks in kernel has been
> >> considered, but are more effort to be implemented.
> > 
> > Lennart probably isn't aware how the usb-storage driver works.  It does 
> > not create commands on its own; it merely sends the commands that it 
> > gets from higher SCSI layers.
> > 
> > It may be possible to modify the SCSI core, to make it send a TEST UNIT 
> > READY command immediately following any SYNCHRONIZE CACHE to a Kindle.
> > 
> > However, there may be an easier solution.  usb-storage does indeed send 
> > a command of its own, REQUEST SENSE, to get error data when a command 
> > fails.  The patch below will make it do the same thing whenever it sends 
> > a SYNCHRONIZE CACHE to a Kindle, failure or not.
> > 
> > The only question is whether the Kindle will regard REQUEST SENSE as a 
> > sufficient indication that it shouldn't do an eject.  The only way to 
> > find out is by testing the patch.
> > 
> > Alan Stern
> 
> Thank you for this patch, yes if this works it would IMHO be
> a much better solution then the udev rule.

I think it would be mildly better, but not a whole lot.  Since the 
Kindle describes itself as having removable media, the kernel normally 
probes it periodically to make sure the media remains present.  The 
default probing interval is 2 seconds.  Reducing it to 0.9 seconds 
doesn't represent an exorbitant additional load IMO -- especially since 
Kindles don't tend to spend huge amounts of time connected to computers.

If it's merely a question of where to change the polling interval from 
the default (automatically in the kernel or by userspace), that also 
doesn't seem like a terribly important choice.  Certainly a udev rule or 
hwdb entry is a lot easier to maintain than special-case code in the 
kernel.

> One question though, if this works to fix the undesired ejects,
> will an actual eject (using e.g. the eject utility as say
> "sudo eject /dev/sda") still be seen as an eject by the kindle
> after this ?

It should be.  Maybe Matthias will try it and let us know.

> Because that is actually kind of important for everyone using their
> Kindle with Calibre, breaking that would not be good.

Of course.

Alan Stern

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-16 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-05 16:54 Amazon Kindle disconnect after Synchronize Cache Matthias Schwarzott
2021-03-05 19:14 ` Alan Stern
     [not found]   ` <CAL411-qf+c_CB4cL=2349QqCCYimOBCYxXbsOfLbvVYOg0294g@mail.gmail.com>
2021-03-06 16:07     ` Alan Stern
2021-03-07  5:58   ` Matthias Schwarzott
2021-03-07 15:52     ` Alan Stern
2021-03-07 16:52       ` Matthias Schwarzott
2021-03-07 16:58         ` Alan Stern
2021-03-08 21:59           ` Matthias Schwarzott
2021-03-09 15:50             ` [usb-storage] " Alan Stern
2021-03-10 20:56               ` Matthias Schwarzott
2021-03-10 21:46                 ` Alan Stern
2021-03-11  6:05                   ` Matthias Schwarzott
2021-03-11 14:39                     ` Alan Stern
2021-03-16  5:26                       ` Matthias Schwarzott
2021-03-16 16:26                         ` Alan Stern
2021-03-16 16:43                           ` [systemd-devel] " Hans de Goede
2021-03-16 17:04                             ` Alan Stern [this message]
2021-03-16 21:52                               ` Matthias Schwarzott
2021-03-17 12:21                               ` Hans de Goede
2021-03-17 15:17                                 ` Alan Stern
2021-03-17 16:47                                   ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]                                     ` <F279F9BC020000F5AE14D9EC@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>
     [not found]                                       ` <C63C44570200006665972EEF@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>
     [not found]                                         ` <B960C12A020000A667ECE9F9@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>
     [not found]                                           ` <B72C58530200001565972EEF@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>
     [not found]                                             ` <0F2319EB020000F567ECE9F9@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>
     [not found]                                               ` <DE3F57520200009E65972EEF@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>
     [not found]                                                 ` <52CC0074020000A3D68BC3D5@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>
2021-03-18  7:03                                                   ` Antw: [EXT] " Ulrich Windl
2021-03-18 14:59                                                     ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                 ` <474C42CD02000091AE14D9EC@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>
2021-03-18  7:04                                                   ` Ulrich Windl
     [not found]                                                   ` <D43A6F56020000F865972EEF@gwsmtp.uni-regensburg.de>
2021-03-18  7:10                                                     ` Antw: [EXT] [systemd-devel] [PATCH] usb-storage: Add quirk to defeat Kindle's automatic unload Ulrich Windl
2021-03-18 15:03                                                       ` Alan Stern
2021-03-17 17:56                                   ` [systemd-devel] [usb-storage] Re: Amazon Kindle disconnect after Synchronize Cache Matthias Schwarzott
2021-03-17 18:31                                     ` Hans de Goede
2021-03-17 19:06                                     ` [PATCH] usb-storage: Add quirk to defeat Kindle's automatic unload Alan Stern
2021-03-18 11:39                                       ` Hans de Goede
2021-03-18 13:50                                       ` [systemd-devel] " Tomasz Torcz
2021-03-18 15:07                                         ` Alan Stern
2021-03-16 21:43                           ` [usb-storage] Re: Amazon Kindle disconnect after Synchronize Cache Matthias Schwarzott

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