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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
To: seanjc@google.com
Cc: Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jarkko@kernel.org, luto@kernel.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,
	haitao.huang@intel.com, pbonzini@redhat.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 05/25] x86/sgx: Introduce virtual EPC for use by KVM guests
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:03:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210326150320.GF25229@zn.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0c38ced8c8e5a69872db4d6a1c0dabd01e07cad7.1616136308.git.kai.huang@intel.com>

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 08:22:21PM +1300, Kai Huang wrote:
> From: Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>
> 
> Add a misc device /dev/sgx_vepc to allow userspace to allocate "raw" EPC
> without an associated enclave.  The intended and only known use case for
> raw EPC allocation is to expose EPC to a KVM guest, hence the 'vepc'
> moniker, virt.{c,h} files and X86_SGX_KVM Kconfig.
> 
> SGX driver uses misc device /dev/sgx_enclave to support userspace to
> create enclave.  Each file descriptor from opening /dev/sgx_enclave
> represents an enclave.  Unlike SGX driver, KVM doesn't control how guest
> uses EPC, therefore EPC allocated to KVM guest is not associated to an
> enclave, and /dev/sgx_enclave is not suitable for allocating EPC for KVM
> guest.
> 
> Having separate device nodes for SGX driver and KVM virtual EPC also
> allows separate permission control for running host SGX enclaves and
> KVM SGX guests.

Hmm, just a question on the big picture here - that might've popped up
already:

So baremetal uses /dev/sgx_enclave and KVM uses /dev/sgx_vepc. Who's
deciding which of the two has priority?

Let's say all guests start using enclaves and baremetal cannot start any
new ones anymore due to no more memory. Are we ok with that?

What if baremetal creates a big fat enclave and starves guests all of a
sudden. Are we ok with that either?

In general, having two disjoint things give out SGX resources separately
sounds like trouble to me.

IOW, why don't all virt allocations go through /dev/sgx_enclave too, so
that you can have a single place to control all resource allocations?

> To use /dev/sgx_vepc to allocate a virtual EPC instance with particular
> size, the userspace hypervisor opens /dev/sgx_vepc, and uses mmap()
> with the intended size to get an address range of virtual EPC.  Then
> it may use the address range to create one KVM memory slot as virtual
> EPC for guest.
> 
> Implement the "raw" EPC allocation in the x86 core-SGX subsystem via
> /dev/sgx_vepc rather than in KVM. Doing so has two major advantages:
> 
>   - Does not require changes to KVM's uAPI, e.g. EPC gets handled as
>     just another memory backend for guests.
> 
>   - EPC management is wholly contained in the SGX subsystem, e.g. SGX
>     does not have to export any symbols, changes to reclaim flows don't
>     need to be routed through KVM, SGX's dirty laundry doesn't have to
>     get aired out for the world to see,

Good one. :-)

> and so on and so forth.

> The virtual EPC pages allocated to guests are currently not reclaimable.
> Reclaiming EPC page used by enclave requires a special reclaim mechanism
> separate from normal page reclaim, and that mechanism is not supported
> for virutal EPC pages.  Due to the complications of handling reclaim
> conflicts between guest and host, reclaiming virtual EPC pages is
> significantly more complex than basic support for SGX virtualization.

What happens if someone in the future wants to change that? Someone
needs to write patches or there's a more fundamental stopper issue
involved?

As always, I might be missing something but that doesn't stop me from
being devil's advocate. :-)

Thx.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

https://people.kernel.org/tglx/notes-about-netiquette

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-03-26 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-19  7:29 [PATCH v3 00/25] KVM SGX virtualization support Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 01/25] x86/cpufeatures: Make SGX_LC feature bit depend on SGX bit Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 02/25] x86/cpufeatures: Add SGX1 and SGX2 sub-features Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Sean Christopherson
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 03/25] x86/sgx: Wipe out EREMOVE from sgx_free_epc_page() Kai Huang
2021-03-22 18:16   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-22 18:56     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-22 19:11       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-22 20:43         ` Kai Huang
2021-03-23 16:40           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-22 19:15       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-22 19:37         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-22 20:36           ` Kai Huang
2021-03-22 21:06           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-22 22:06             ` Kai Huang
2021-03-22 22:37               ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-22 23:16                 ` Kai Huang
2021-03-23 15:45                   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-23 16:06                     ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-23 16:21                       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-23 16:32                         ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-23 16:51                           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-24  9:38                           ` Kai Huang
2021-03-24 10:09                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-24 10:48                               ` Kai Huang
2021-03-24 11:24                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-24 23:23                               ` Kai Huang
2021-03-24 23:39                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-24 23:46                                   ` Kai Huang
2021-03-25  8:42                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-25  9:38                                       ` Kai Huang
2021-03-25 16:52                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-24  9:28                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-23 16:38                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-23 17:02                         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-23 17:06                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-03-23 17:16                             ` Sean Christopherson
2021-03-23 18:16                             ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-24  9:26                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-22 22:23             ` Kai Huang
2021-03-25  9:30   ` [PATCH v4 " Kai Huang
2021-03-26 19:48     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-26 20:38       ` Kai Huang
2021-03-26 21:39       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-04-07 10:03     ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 04/25] x86/sgx: Add SGX_CHILD_PRESENT hardware error code Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Sean Christopherson
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 05/25] x86/sgx: Introduce virtual EPC for use by KVM guests Kai Huang
2021-03-25  9:36   ` Kai Huang
2021-03-26 15:03   ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2021-03-26 15:17     ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-26 15:29       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-26 15:35         ` Dave Hansen
2021-03-26 17:02           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-31  1:10     ` Kai Huang
2021-03-31  6:44       ` Boris Petkov
2021-03-31  6:51         ` Kai Huang
2021-03-31  7:44           ` Boris Petkov
2021-03-31  8:53             ` Kai Huang
2021-03-31 12:20               ` Kai Huang
2021-04-01 18:31                 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-01 23:38                   ` Kai Huang
2021-04-01  9:45               ` Kai Huang
2021-04-01  9:42   ` [PATCH v4 " Kai Huang
2021-04-05  9:01   ` [PATCH v3 " Borislav Petkov
2021-04-05 21:46     ` Kai Huang
2021-04-06  8:28       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-06  9:04         ` Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Sean Christopherson
2021-03-19  7:22 ` [PATCH v3 06/25] x86/cpu/intel: Allow SGX virtualization without Launch Control support Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Sean Christopherson
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 07/25] x86/sgx: Initialize virtual EPC driver even when SGX driver is disabled Kai Huang
2021-04-02  9:48   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-02 11:08     ` Kai Huang
2021-04-02 11:22       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-02 11:38         ` Kai Huang
2021-04-02 15:42     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-02 19:08       ` Kai Huang
2021-04-02 19:19       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-02 19:30         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-04-02 19:46           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 08/25] x86/sgx: Expose SGX architectural definitions to the kernel Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Sean Christopherson
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 09/25] x86/sgx: Move ENCLS leaf definitions to sgx.h Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Sean Christopherson
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 10/25] x86/sgx: Add SGX2 ENCLS leaf definitions (EAUG, EMODPR and EMODT) Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Sean Christopherson
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 11/25] x86/sgx: Add encls_faulted() helper Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Sean Christopherson
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 12/25] x86/sgx: Add helper to update SGX_LEPUBKEYHASHn MSRs Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 13/25] x86/sgx: Add helpers to expose ECREATE and EINIT to KVM Kai Huang
2021-04-05  9:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-05 21:44     ` Kai Huang
2021-04-06  7:40       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-06  8:59         ` Kai Huang
2021-04-06  9:09           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-06  9:24             ` Kai Huang
2021-04-06  9:32               ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-06  9:41                 ` Kai Huang
2021-04-06 17:08                   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-06 20:33                     ` Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Sean Christopherson
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 14/25] x86/sgx: Move provisioning device creation out of SGX driver Kai Huang
2021-04-07 10:03   ` [tip: x86/sgx] " tip-bot2 for Sean Christopherson
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 15/25] KVM: x86: Export kvm_mmu_gva_to_gpa_{read,write}() for SGX (VMX) Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 16/25] KVM: x86: Define new #PF SGX error code bit Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/25] KVM: x86: Add support for reverse CPUID lookup of scattered features Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/25] KVM: x86: Add reverse-CPUID lookup support for scattered SGX features Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/25] KVM: VMX: Add basic handling of VM-Exit from SGX enclave Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 20/25] KVM: VMX: Frame in ENCLS handler for SGX virtualization Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 21/25] KVM: VMX: Add SGX ENCLS[ECREATE] handler to enforce CPUID restrictions Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 22/25] KVM: VMX: Add emulation of SGX Launch Control LE hash MSRs Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 23/25] KVM: VMX: Add ENCLS[EINIT] handler to support SGX Launch Control (LC) Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 24/25] KVM: VMX: Enable SGX virtualization for SGX1, SGX2 and LC Kai Huang
2021-03-19  7:24 ` [PATCH v3 25/25] KVM: x86: Add capability to grant VM access to privileged SGX attribute Kai Huang
2021-03-19 14:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/25] KVM SGX virtualization support Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-22 10:03   ` Kai Huang
2021-03-22 10:31     ` Borislav Petkov
2021-03-26 22:46 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-03-28 21:01   ` Huang, Kai
2021-03-31 23:23     ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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