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From: Christian Brauner <christian.brauner-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Sargun Dhillon <sargun-GaZTRHToo+CzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Zefan Li <lizefan.x-EC8Uxl6Npydl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Cgroups <cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Killing cgroups
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 14:24:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210420122439.xxz2k6wp76266cix@wittgenstein> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMp4zn9_hgKOmamdzzBy5nzLr5pAXQBbuR1sjso-Wck0_3rEfA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 10:17:29AM -0700, Sargun Dhillon wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 10:08 AM Shakeel Butt <shakeelb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 8:56 AM Christian Brauner
> > <christian.brauner-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > It's not as dramatic as it sounds but I've been mulling a cgroup feature
> > > for some time now which I would like to get some input on. :)
> > >
> > > So in container-land assuming a conservative layout where we treat a
> > > container as a separate machine we tend to give each container a
> > > delegated cgroup. That has already been the case with cgroup v1 and now
> > > even more so with cgroup v2.
> > >
> > > So usually you will have a 1:1 mapping between container and cgroup. If
> > > the container in addition uses a separate pid namespace then killing a
> > > container becomes a simple kill -9 <container-init-pid> from an ancestor
> > > pid namespace.
> > >
> > > However, there are quite a few scenarios where one or two of those
> > > assumptions aren't true, i.e. there are containers that share the cgroup
> > > with other processes on purpose that are supposed to be bound to the
> > > lifetime of the container but are not in the same pidns of the
> > > container. Containers that are in a delegated cgroup but share the pid
> > > namespace with the host or other containers.
> > >
> > > This is just the container use-case. There are additional use-cases from
> > > systemd services for example.
> > >
> > > For such scenarios it would be helpful to have a way to kill/signal all
> > > processes in a given cgroup.
> > >
> > > It feels to me that conceptually this is somewhat similar to the freezer
> > > feature. Freezer is now nicely implemented in cgroup.freeze. I would
> > > think we could do something similar for the signal feature I'm thinking
> > > about. So we add a file cgroup.signal which can be opened with O_RDWR
> > > and can be used to send a signal to all processes in a given cgroup:
> >
> > and the descendant cgroups as well.
> >
> > >
> > > int fd = open("/sys/fs/cgroup/my/delegated/cgroup", O_RDWR);
> > > write(fd, "SIGKILL", sizeof("SIGKILL") - 1);
> >
> > The userspace oom-killers can also take advantage of this feature.
> 
> This would be nice for the container runtimes that (currently) freeze,
> then kill all the pids, and unfreeze. Do you think that this could also
> be generalized to sigstop?

As long as we name it cgroup.signal we can technically expand to signals
other than SIGKILL and SIGTERM in the future. The SIG{TERM,KILL} signal
are the most relevant candidates for now.

Though I'm not clear yet what use-case would require us to support
SIGSTOP in this interface given that we have cgroup.freeze which seems
to be an improvement over SIGSTOP in many ways a few of which are
mentioned in the (legacy) freezer controller documentation.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-04-20 12:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-19 15:56 Killing cgroups Christian Brauner
2021-04-19 16:15 ` Roman Gushchin
     [not found]   ` <YH2slGErZ7s4t6DC-cx5fftMpWqeCjSd+JxjunQ2O0Ztt9esIQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2021-04-20 12:28     ` Christian Brauner
2021-04-19 17:08 ` Shakeel Butt
     [not found]   ` <CALvZod6haoRmgp++9sqvZaYCo+gaK6t5MSfSZ7XFpm4p6wACwA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2021-04-19 17:17     ` Sargun Dhillon
     [not found]       ` <CAMp4zn9_hgKOmamdzzBy5nzLr5pAXQBbuR1sjso-Wck0_3rEfA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2021-04-20 12:24         ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2021-04-20 12:11     ` Christian Brauner

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