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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
Cc: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Andreas Noever <andreas.noever@gmail.com>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PCI: don't power-off apple thunderbolt controller on s2idle
Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 12:28:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210519172818.GA46184@bjorn-Precision-5520> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8ddea02fc6d37f7c444a1e90c9f03d7656ffe957.camel@yandex.ru>

On Fri, May 07, 2021 at 05:08:42PM +0300, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-05-07 at 08:30 -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > On Fri, May 07, 2021 at 12:07:38AM +0200, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 06, 2021 at 04:48:42PM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > > > On Thu, May 06, 2021 at 08:38:20PM +0300, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote:
> > > > > On Macbook 2013 resuming from s2idle results in external monitor no
> > > > > longer being detected, and dmesg having errors like:
> > > > > 
> > > > >     pcieport 0000:06:00.0: can't change power state from D3hot to D0
> > > > > (config space inaccessible)
> > > > > 
> > > > > and a stacktrace. The reason turned out that the hw that the quirk
> > > > > powers off does not get powered on back on resume.

> > For example, "With s2idle, the machine isn't suspended via ACPI, so
> > the AML code which powers the controller off isn't executed."  AFAICT
> > that isn't actually a required, documented property of s2idle, but
> > rather it reaches into the internal implementation.

> > The code comment "If suspend mode is s2idle, power won't get restored
> > on resume" is similar.  !pm_suspend_via_firmware() tells us that
> > platform firmware won't be invoked.  But the connection between *that*
> > and "power won't get restored" is unexplained.
> 
> Sorry, I can't comment anything regarding AML and power management
> in general since I am really new to all of this. However, regarding
> the usage of the `pm_suspend_via_firmware()`: yeah, I also think it
> is unclear what this does, and I was thinking about adding a wrapper
> function something like `is_s2idle()` to the suspend.h, which would
> simply call `pm_suspend_via_firmware` internally.

No, that's not my point at all.  I don't really care whether the
interface is called pm_suspend_via_firmware() or is_s2idle().

What I don't like about this is that it's all just unexplained magic,
as was the original quirk.

IIUC, the quirk is applied by pci_pm_suspend_noirq() *after* it puts
the device in a low-power state.  Here's my uninformed speculation
about what happens:

  - On suspend, pci_pm_suspend_noirq() puts device in low-power state.
    My *guess* is this means D0 or D3hot for s2idle, and D3cold for
    everything else.  [Do we have sufficient debug to find out what
    these states are?]

  - pci_pm_suspend_noirq() does pci_fixup_suspend_late fixups,
    including quirk_apple_poweroff_thunderbolt().

  - quirk_apple_poweroff_thunderbolt() runs the magic SXIO/SXFP/SXLF
    methods, which apparently turn off more power.

  - On resume, pci_pm_resume_noirq() brings the device back to D0.

    If we're resuming from standby, S2RAM, or STD, I speculate the
    device is in D3cold, so this involves running AML that seems to
    undo whatever SXIO/SXFP/SXLF did.

    If we're resuming from s2idle, I speculate the device is in D0 or
    D3hot, and we run different AML (or maybe no AML at all), and we
    *don't* undo the effects of SXIO/SXFP/SXLF, so the device doesn't
    work.

If the above is anything like what's happening, we should be able to
skip SXIO/SXFP/SXLF based on the current power state of the device.
E.g., if the device is in D0 or D3hot, we should not use
SXIO/SXFP/SXLF to yank power.

That would seem more connected to the observable state of the device
than using pm_suspend_via_firmware(), which relies on the connection
between s2idle and PM_SUSPEND_FLAG_FW_SUSPEND (which is not at all
obvious) and the power state of the device while in s2idle (also not
obvious).

Bjorn

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-05-19 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-06 17:38 [PATCH] PCI: don't power-off apple thunderbolt controller on s2idle Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-05-06 21:48 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-05-06 22:07   ` Lukas Wunner
2021-05-07  9:51     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-05-08  8:48       ` Lukas Wunner
2021-05-07 13:30     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-05-07 14:08       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-05-12 20:36         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-05-17 19:51           ` PING " Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-05-19 17:28         ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2021-05-19 19:12           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-05-19 19:48             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-05-20 11:27               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-05-20 11:54                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-05-20 19:49                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-05-20 23:28                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-05-24  6:59                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-05-20 23:55                     ` [PATCH v2] PCI: don't call firmware hooks on suspend unless it's fw-controlled Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-05-28  7:39                       ` PING: " Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-06-03  8:36                         ` PING: " Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-06-03 17:46                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-06-04  8:30                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-05-21  9:47                     ` [PATCH] PCI: don't power-off apple thunderbolt controller on s2idle Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-05-07 15:02       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-05-08  8:20       ` Lukas Wunner
2021-05-07  9:32   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-05-07 13:07     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-05-07 13:48       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2021-05-20 11:58   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2021-06-07 23:17 ` Bjorn Helgaas

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