From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.4 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E241CC432BE for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2021 13:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA61D60EE0 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2021 13:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S240286AbhHPNat (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Aug 2021 09:30:49 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:48534 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S240462AbhHPN0Y (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Aug 2021 09:26:24 -0400 Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com (mail-qk1-x72e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06E34C0363D5 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2021 06:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id n11so14116852qkk.1 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2021 06:11:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=google; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=FfSfaJPOzzelsOMsOvt93lccitdxgdGNAKfOMGmNvxo=; b=PxzRSP+FGsLytmzzpt7I2+C6yrPnGqEfIl3pzyqNnGScIu5w3LF3J2qD3PyG5Fr/YZ rMLb0wheXI0UzbHKNPObcFZPzLUqidivj0psEZlSc5QFfGF8WEgANmZ4FEpmQdBApclO fUCnWl3qmK8mJpcIaPx6WVBYhAdgN6gcdQ7zA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=FfSfaJPOzzelsOMsOvt93lccitdxgdGNAKfOMGmNvxo=; b=If18Tem0FcD8ZWf4C/0Dl4vHLvcoWHbS9hN5pH5Ijv1hKbM68drmKOSr+q5+JO8c0d SOA90IXAnfcsSJB0eZBevEbO2ikcVDoaX4e8zvioy2h+eoGxwr7xAOppdYR4qiQX8a6t EyQO6fFouDn7NfC1IUeMC7vOxPJ6KlOGvdVrBgR1Jon379QGuoyRxCW9jh3aQGuN+BAy O4SKjYhaQWQ3IghdvCRGFmPEn5SnGoaOh2ssjNAfRk4cVnbKAtaNDiiVrGetGrb/nBYO bi75KojELmOBCosRBK1U4NyWr///6kjeoJ5EqMBiSwInYJLi9TC185zOYirGIsXTfsiu E1zA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532KWvaHYdLocQDQWgT3GeGRo9FkXzZi9OuwLtl4DyjCrkEn62dT fX5OV65mgnu6MVdHf2bIPZ5Jew== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyHe/AYTAaQMX0dhqMLiB7TZGch3nWoL02eGOMJarRzghEulU1cpKqtK1skp5YytV0t1X+2zg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:448c:: with SMTP id x12mr15371694qkp.39.1629119505086; Mon, 16 Aug 2021 06:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nitro.local ([89.36.78.230]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n124sm6266215qkf.119.2021.08.16.06.11.44 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 16 Aug 2021 06:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 09:11:43 -0400 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: Junio C Hamano Cc: Ben Goldberg , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: send-email issue Message-ID: <20210816131143.6ifcbpxp6ilo2nv5@nitro.local> References: <24a88faf-5339-8449-80c4-f6085bd1e098@benaaron.dev> <20210813180056.ctzivmakj4bj5apa@nitro.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 04:36:43PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote: > Konstantin Ryabitsev writes: > > > I know that this is confusing terminology, but "tls" stands for "StartTLS", > > which works on port 587, and "ssl" starts for "smtps" on port 465. > > This reminds me of an earlier discussion we had that somehow petered > out before it resuted in usable improvement, > > https://lore.kernel.org/git/xmqqtuo9kgo0.fsf@gitster.g/ > > I do not think it is feasible to immediately rename the two choices > to SSL/TLS vs StartTLS without transition period, but the first > patch in the three-patch series there to update the documentation > alone may have helped this case. > > We may also want to error out when seeing an unknown option other > than 'ssl' and 'tls', as the necessary first step to make it > possible to later safely accept StartTLS as a synonym for 'tls' and > 'ssl/tls' as a synonym for 'ssl'. Is it easier to just add less ambiguous aliases, eventually phasing out old terminology? tls -> starttls ssl -> smtps This way we don't have to change anything, and "smtps" is a valid way to refer to smtp over ssl (e.g. see /etc/services for 465/tcp). -K