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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Jane Chu <jane.chu@oracle.com>,
	linux-xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] vfs: add a zero-initialization mode to fallocate
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2021 19:38:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210922023801.GD570615@magnolia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4jF1UNW5rdXX3q2hfDcvzGLSnk=1a0C0i7_UjdivuG+pQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 07:16:26PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 1:32 AM Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 10:44:31AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > I think this wants to be a behavioural modifier for existing
> > > operations rather than an operation unto itself. i.e. similar to how
> > > KEEP_SIZE modifies ALLOC behaviour but doesn't fundamentally alter
> > > the guarantees ALLOC provides userspace.
> > >
> > > In this case, the change of behaviour over ZERO_RANGE is that we
> > > want physical zeros to be written instead of the filesystem
> > > optimising away the physical zeros by manipulating the layout
> > > of the file.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > Then we have and API that looks like:
> > >
> > >       ALLOC           - allocate space efficiently
> > >       ALLOC | INIT    - allocate space by writing zeros to it
> > >       ZERO            - zero data and preallocate space efficiently
> > >       ZERO | INIT     - zero range by writing zeros to it
> > >
> > > Which seems to cater for all the cases I know of where physically
> > > writing zeros instead of allocating unwritten extents is the
> > > preferred behaviour of fallocate()....
> >
> > Agreed.  I'm not sure INIT is really the right name, but I can't come
> > up with a better idea offhand.
> 
> FUA? As in, this is a forced-unit-access zeroing all the way to media
> bypassing any mechanisms to emulate zero-filled payloads on future
> reads.

FALLOC_FL_ZERO_EXISTING, because you want to zero the storage that
already exists at that file range?

--D

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-22  2:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-18  1:30 [PATCHSET RFC v2 jane 0/5] vfs: enable userspace to reset damaged file storage Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-18  1:30 ` [PATCH 1/5] dax: prepare pmem for use by zero-initializing contents and clearing poisons Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-18 16:54   ` riteshh
2021-09-20 17:22     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-21  4:07       ` riteshh
2021-09-22 18:26         ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-22 19:47           ` riteshh
2021-09-22 20:26           ` Dan Williams
2021-09-21  8:34   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-09-22 18:10     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-18  1:30 ` [PATCH 2/5] iomap: use accelerated zeroing on a block device to zero a file range Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-18 16:55   ` riteshh
2021-09-21  8:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-09-22 18:53     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-21 22:33   ` Dave Chinner
2021-09-22 18:54     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-18  1:31 ` [PATCH 3/5] vfs: add a zero-initialization mode to fallocate Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-18 16:58   ` riteshh
2021-09-20 17:52   ` Eric Biggers
2021-09-20 18:06     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-21  0:44   ` Dave Chinner
2021-09-21  8:31     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-09-22  2:16       ` Dan Williams
2021-09-22  2:38         ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2021-09-22  3:59           ` Dave Chinner
2021-09-22  4:13             ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-22  5:49               ` Dave Chinner
2021-09-22 21:27                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-23  0:02                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-23  0:44                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-23  1:42                     ` Dave Chinner
2021-09-23  2:43                       ` Dan Williams
2021-09-23  5:42                         ` Dan Williams
2021-09-23 22:54                           ` Dave Chinner
2021-09-24  1:18                             ` Dan Williams
2021-09-24  1:21                               ` Jane Chu
2021-09-24  1:35                                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-27 21:07                                   ` Dave Chinner
2021-09-27 21:57                                     ` Jane Chu
2021-09-28  0:08                                       ` Dan Williams
2021-09-22  5:28     ` riteshh
2021-09-18  1:31 ` [PATCH 4/5] xfs: implement FALLOC_FL_ZEROINIT_RANGE Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-18  1:31 ` [PATCH 5/5] ext4: " Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-18 17:07   ` riteshh
2021-09-20 18:11     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-21  6:10       ` riteshh
2021-09-18 18:05 ` [PATCHSET RFC v2 jane 0/5] vfs: enable userspace to reset damaged file storage Dan Williams
2021-09-23  0:51 ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-09-23  1:17   ` Dan Williams

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