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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: "Laurent Vivier" <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
	"Michael Roth" <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	"Cornelia Huck" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"Yuval Shaia" <yuval.shaia.ml@gmail.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"Halil Pasic" <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, "Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>
Subject: [PATCH v3 03/19] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 14:23:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210930132349.3601823-4-berrange@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210930132349.3601823-1-berrange@redhat.com>

Traditionally we have required that newly added QMP commands will model
any returned data using fine grained QAPI types. This is good for
commands that are intended to be consumed by machines, where clear data
representation is very important. Commands that don't satisfy this have
generally been added to HMP only.

In effect the decision of whether to add a new command to QMP vs HMP has
been used as a proxy for the decision of whether the cost of designing a
fine grained QAPI type is justified by the potential benefits.

As a result the commands present in QMP and HMP are non-overlapping
sets, although HMP comamnds can be accessed indirectly via the QMP
command 'human-monitor-command'.

One of the downsides of 'human-monitor-command' is that the QEMU monitor
APIs remain tied into various internal parts of the QEMU code. For
example any exclusively HMP command will need to use 'monitor_printf'
to get data out. It would be desirable to be able to fully isolate the
monitor implementation from QEMU internals, however, this is only
possible if all commands are exclusively based on QAPI with direct
QMP exposure.

The way to achieve this desired end goal is to finese the requirements
for QMP command design. For cases where the output of a command is only
intended for human consumption, it is reasonable to want to simplify
the implementation by returning a plain string containing formatted
data instead of designing a fine grained QAPI data type. This can be
permitted if-and-only-if the command is exposed under the 'x-' name
prefix. This indicates that the command data format is liable to
future change and that it is not following QAPI design best practice.

The poster child example for this would be the 'info registers' HMP
command which returns printf formatted data representing CPU state.
This information varies enourmously across target architectures and
changes relatively frequently as new CPU features are implemented.
It is there as debugging data for human operators, and any machine
usage would treat it as an opaque blob. It is thus reasonable to
expose this in QMP as 'x-query-registers' returning a 'str' field.

Reviewed-by: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
---
 docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst | 27 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 27 insertions(+)

diff --git a/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst b/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
index a973c48f66..0f3b751dab 100644
--- a/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
+++ b/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
@@ -350,6 +350,33 @@ In this section we will focus on user defined types. Please, check the QAPI
 documentation for information about the other types.
 
 
+Modelling data in QAPI
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+
+For a QMP command that to be considered stable and supported long term,
+there is a requirement returned data should be explicitly modelled
+using fine-grained QAPI types. As a general guide, a caller of the QMP
+command should never need to parse individual returned data fields. If
+a field appears to need parsing, then it should be split into separate
+fields corresponding to each distinct data item. This should be the
+common case for any new QMP command that is intended to be used by
+machines, as opposed to exclusively human operators.
+
+Some QMP commands, however, are only intended as ad hoc debugging aids
+for human operators. While they may return large amounts of formatted
+data, it is not expected that machines will need to parse the result.
+The overhead of defining a fine grained QAPI type for the data may not
+be justified by the potential benefit. In such cases, it is permitted
+to have a command return a simple string that contains formatted data,
+however, it is mandatory for the command to use the 'x-' name prefix.
+This indicates that the command is not guaranteed to be long term
+stable / liable to change in future and is not following QAPI design
+best practices. An example where this approach is taken is the QMP
+command "x-query-registers". This returns a formatted dump of the
+architecture specific CPU state. The way the data is formatted varies
+across QEMU targets, is liable to change over time, and is only
+intended to be consumed as an opaque string by machines.
+
 User Defined Types
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
-- 
2.31.1



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-09-30 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-30 13:23 [PATCH v3 00/19] monitor: explicitly permit QMP commands to be added for all use cases Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 01/19] docs/devel: rename file for writing monitor commands Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-04 15:50   ` Eric Blake
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 02/19] docs/devel: tweak headings in monitor command docs Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2021-10-04 12:13   ` [PATCH v3 03/19] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-10-04 12:23     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-28 14:31   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-28 15:24     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-11-03 13:52       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-11-04  5:43         ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-04  8:54           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-11-09  6:39             ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-09  9:47               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-11-09 14:58                 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 04/19] docs/devel: add example of command returning unstructured text Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-04 18:25   ` Eric Blake
2021-10-28 14:47   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-28 15:31     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-28 17:13       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 05/19] docs/devel: document expectations for HMP commands in the future Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-04 18:33   ` Eric Blake
2021-10-28 14:47   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 06/19] monitor: remove 'info ioapic' HMP command Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 07/19] qapi: introduce x-query-roms QMP command Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-04 12:32   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-10-04 15:57     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 08/19] qapi: introduce x-query-profile " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 09/19] qapi: introduce x-query-numa " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 10/19] qapi: introduce x-query-usb " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 11/19] qapi: introduce x-query-rdma " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 12/19] qapi: introduce x-query-ramblock " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 13/19] qapi: introduce x-query-skeys " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-12  7:12   ` Thomas Huth
2021-10-18  9:50     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 14/19] qapi: introduce x-query-cmma " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 15/19] hmp: synchronize cpu state for lapic info Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 16/19] qapi: introduce x-query-lapic QMP command Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/19] qapi: introduce x-query-irq " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/19] qapi: introduce x-query-jit " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-30 13:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/19] qapi: introduce x-query-opcount " Daniel P. Berrangé

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