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From: AKASHI Takahiro <takahiro.akashi@linaro.org>
To: Heinrich Schuchardt <xypron.glpk@gmx.de>
Cc: Simon Glass <sjg@chromium.org>, Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com>,
	U-Boot Mailing List <u-boot@lists.denx.de>,
	Ilias Apalodimas <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	Alex Graf <agraf@csgraf.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC 07/22] dm: blk: add UCLASS_PARTITION
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 15:15:56 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211029061556.GD33977@laputa> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <111f3160-3b5e-302e-c0ca-86c66093207e@gmx.de>

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 06:57:24AM +0200, Heinrich Schuchardt wrote:
> 
> 
> > I agree with Heinrich that we are better to leave BLK as it is, both
> > in name and meaning. I think maybe I am missing the gist of your
> > argument.
> > 
> > If we use UCLASS_PART, for example, can we have that refer to both s/w
> > and h/w partitions, as Herinch seems to allude to below? What would
> > the picture look like the, and would it get us closer to agreement?
> 
> In the driver model:
> 
> A UCLASS is a class of drivers that share the same interface.
> A UDEVICE is a logical device that belongs to exactly one UCLASS and is
> accessed through this UCLASS's interface.

Please be careful about "accessed through" which is a quite confusing
expression. I don't always agree with this view.

> A hardware partition is an object that exposes only a single interface
> for block IO.
> 
> A software partition is an object that may expose two interfaces: one
> for block IO, the other for file IO.

Are you talking about UEFI world or U-Boot?
Definitely, a hw partitions can provide a file system
if you want.
It's a matter of usage.

I remember that we had some discussion about whether block devices
on UEFI system should always have a (sw) partition table or not.
But it is a different topic.

> The UEFI model does not have a problem with this because on a handle you
> can install as many different protocols as you wish. But U-Boot's driver
> model only allows a single interface per device. Up to now U-Boot has
> overcome this limitation by creating child devices for the extra interfaces.

> We have the following logical levels:
> 
> Controller      | Block device | Software Partition| File system
> ----------------+--------------+-------------------+------------
> NVMe Drive      | Namespace    | Partition 1..n    | FAT, EXT4
> ATA Controller  | ATA-Drive    |                   |
> SCSI Controller | LUN          |                   |
> MMC Controller  | HW-Partition |                   |
> MMC Controller  | SD-Card      |                   |
> USB-Node        | USB-Drive    |                   |
> 
> In the device tree this could be modeled as:
> 
> |-- Controller (UCLASS_CTRL)
> | |-- Block device / HW Partition (UCLASS_BLK)    (A)
> | | |-- Partition table (UCLASS_PARTITION_TABLE)  (B)
> | |   |-- Software Partition (UCLASS_BLK)
> | |     |-- File system (UCLASS_FS)
> | |
> | |-- Block device (UCLASS_BLK)
> |   |-- File system (UCLASS_FS)

I don't know why we expect PARTITION_TABLE and FS to appear in DM tree.
What is the benefit?
(A) and (B) always have 1:1 relationship.
I also remember that you claimed that not all efi objects(handles and
protocols like SIMPE_FILE_SYSTEM_PROTOCOL) need to have corresponding
U-Boot counterparts in our 2019 discussion.

If we *need* PARTITION_TALBLE, why don't we have HW_PARTITION_TABLE,
which should support other type of hw partitions as well?

|-- eMMC controller (UCLASS_MMC)
| |-- eMMC device1 / Physical media (UCLASS_HW_PARTITION_TABLE?)
|   |-- Block device / HW Partition:user data (UCLASS_BLK)
|   | |-- Partition table (UCLASS_PARTITION_TABLE)
|   |   |-- Software Partition (UCLASS_BLK)
|   |     |-- File system (UCLASS_FS)
|   |
|   |-- Block device / HW Partition:boot0 (UCLASS_BLK)
|   |-- Block device / HW Partition:boot1 (UCLASS_BLK)
          ...
| |-- eMMC device2 / Physical media (UCLASS_HW_PARTITION_TABLE?)

|-- scsi controller (UCLASS_SCSI)
| |-- scsi disk / Physical media (UCLASS_HW_PARTITION_TABLE?)
|   |-- scsi LUN1 (UCLASS_HW_PARTITION_TABLE?)
|   | |-- Partition table (UCLASS_PARTITION_TABLE)
|   |   |-- Software Partition (UCLASS_BLK)
|   |-- scsi LUN2 (UCLASS_HW_PARTITION_TABLE?)
          ...

(Here I ignored scsi buses/channels which make things more complicated.)

This kind of complex hierarchy doesn't benefit anybody.

-Takahiro Akashi

> UCLASS_PARTITION_TABLE would be for the drivers in disk/.
> UCLASS_FS would be for the drivers in fs/.
> UCLASS_BLK will be for any objects exposing raw block IO. A software
> partition does the same. It is created by the partition table driver as
> child of the partition table udevice.
> 
> In this model an eMMC device will not be a UCLASS_BLK device because it
> does not expose block IO. It is the hardware partition that exposes this
> interface.
> 
> The suggested model will allow a clean description of nested partition
> tables.
> 
> In the UEFI world the software partition and its file system must be
> mapped to a single handle with device path node type HD(). For the
> parent block device we may create a child handle with partition number 0
> (HD(0)). For the partition table we will not create a handle.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Heinrich

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-29  6:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-01  5:01 [RFC 00/22] efi_loader: more tightly integrate UEFI disks to device model AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 01/22] part: call part_init() in blk_get_device_by_str() only for MMC AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  6:41   ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-01  7:56     ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-04  3:13     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01 11:48   ` Peter Robinson
2021-10-04  3:26     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-11 10:07     ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-11 14:32       ` Simon Glass
2021-10-11 15:08         ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-11 16:14           ` Simon Glass
2021-10-12  3:26             ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-12 13:30               ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-13  1:50                 ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-12 20:31               ` Simon Glass
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 01/22] scsi: call device_probe() after scanning AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 02/22] " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 02/22] usb: storage: " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 03/22] mmc: " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-11  1:10     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 03/22] usb: storage: " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 04/22] mmc: " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 04/22] nvme: " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 05/22] " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 05/22] sata: " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 06/22] block: ide: " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 06/22] sata: " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-11  1:11     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 07/22] block: ide: " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-11  1:43     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-11 14:54       ` Simon Glass
2021-10-12  5:53         ` Ilias Apalodimas
2021-10-13  0:35           ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 07/22] dm: blk: add UCLASS_PARTITION AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  9:30   ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-04  3:27     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-08  0:51       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-08  8:23         ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-11  2:29           ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-11 14:54             ` Simon Glass
2021-10-11 15:02               ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-11 16:14                 ` Simon Glass
2021-10-11 16:48                   ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-11 17:41                     ` Simon Glass
2021-10-12  5:12                       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-12  6:42                         ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-12 15:14                   ` Tom Rini
2021-10-13  1:32                     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-13 18:05                       ` Simon Glass
2021-10-14  8:03                         ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-14 20:55                           ` Simon Glass
2021-10-28  8:52                             ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-28 10:42                               ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-29  1:45                                 ` Simon Glass
2021-10-29  4:57                                   ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-29  6:15                                     ` AKASHI Takahiro [this message]
2021-10-29 19:21                                       ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-29 21:17                                         ` Simon Glass
2021-10-30  5:45                                           ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-11-01  0:36                                             ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-11-01  1:15                                               ` Simon Glass
2021-11-01  1:51                                                 ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-11-01  2:14                                                   ` Simon Glass
2021-11-02  1:42                                                     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-11-02  7:38                                                     ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-11-05  2:02                                                       ` Simon Glass
2021-11-05  2:49                                                         ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-11-05 16:12                                                           ` Simon Glass
2021-11-08  4:46                                                             ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-11-08 18:44                                                               ` Ilias Apalodimas
2021-11-09  0:09                                                                 ` Simon Glass
2021-11-13 18:14                                                                   ` Simon Glass
2021-11-13 18:37                                                                     ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-11-13 21:32                                                                       ` Simon Glass
2021-11-15  1:43                                                                         ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-11-15 19:05                                                                           ` Simon Glass
2021-11-15 19:16                                                                             ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-11-15 23:51                                                                               ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-11-16  0:02                                                                                 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-11-16  3:01                                                                                   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-12-03  7:16                                                                                     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-12-03 16:06                                                                                       ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-12-06  4:18                                                                                         ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-12  3:53     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:01 ` [RFC 08/22] " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  9:32   ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 08/22] dm: blk: add a device-probe hook for scanning disk partitions AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 09/22] " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 09/22] dm: blk: add read/write interfaces with udevice AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 10/22] " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 10/22] efi_loader: disk: use udevice instead of blk_desc AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 11/22] dm: add a hidden link to efi object AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 11/22] efi_loader: disk: use udevice instead of blk_desc AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 12/22] dm: add a hidden link to efi object AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-11  6:43     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-11 14:54       ` Simon Glass
2021-10-11 15:26         ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-11 16:09           ` Simon Glass
2021-10-12  2:09             ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-12 20:31               ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 12/22] efi_loader: remove !CONFIG_BLK code from efi_disk AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 13/22] efi_loader: disk: a helper function to create efi_disk objects from udevice AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 13/22] efi_loader: remove !CONFIG_BLK code from efi_disk AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 14/22] dm: blk: call efi's device-probe hook AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-11  3:15     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-11 14:54       ` Simon Glass
2021-11-01  3:03         ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 14/22] efi_loader: disk: a helper function to create efi_disk objects from udevice AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-11  6:52     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-11 14:54       ` Simon Glass
2021-10-12  1:09         ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-12 14:08           ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 15/22] dm: blk: call efi's device-probe hook AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 15/22] efi_loader: cleanup after efi_disk-dm integration AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 16/22] efi_loader: add efi_remove_handle() AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 16/22] efi_loader: cleanup after efi_disk-dm integration AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 17/22] efi_loader: add efi_remove_handle() AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 17/22] efi_loader: efi_disk: a helper function to delete efi_disk objects AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 18/22] dm: blk: call efi's device-removal hook AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 18/22] efi_loader: efi_disk: a helper function to delete efi_disk objects AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 19/22] dm: blk: call efi's device-removal hook AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 19/22] efi_driver: align with efi_disk-dm integration AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 20/22] " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-11  7:41     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 20/22] efi_driver: cleanup after " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 21/22] " AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-10 14:14   ` Simon Glass
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 21/22] efi_selftest: block device: adjust dp for a test disk AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 22/22] (TEST) let dm-tree unchanged after block_io testing is done AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-01  5:02 ` [RFC 22/22] efi_selftest: block device: adjust dp for a test disk AKASHI Takahiro
2021-10-02 14:17   ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2021-10-10 14:14 ` [RFC 00/22] efi_loader: more tightly integrate UEFI disks to device model Simon Glass
2021-10-12 15:00   ` Tom Rini
2021-10-12 20:31     ` Simon Glass
2021-10-12 21:13       ` Tom Rini
2021-10-12 23:37         ` Simon Glass
2021-10-12 23:40           ` Tom Rini

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