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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
Cc: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, ak@tempesta-tech.com,
	borisp@nvidia.com, simo@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 4/5] net/tls: Add support for PF_TLSH (a TLS handshake listener)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 08:02:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220426080247.19bbb64e@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1fca2eda-83e4-fe39-13c8-0e5e7553689b@grimberg.me>

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:29:03 +0300 Sagi Grimberg wrote:
> >> Create the socket in user space, do all the handshakes you need there
> >> and then pass it to the kernel.  This is how NBD + TLS works.  Scales
> >> better and requires much less kernel code.
> >>  
> > But we can't, as the existing mechanisms (at least for NVMe) creates the 
> > socket in-kernel.
> > Having to create the socket in userspace would require a completely new 
> > interface for nvme and will not be backwards compatible.  
> 
> And we will still need the upcall anyways when we reconnect 
> (re-establish the socket)

That totally flew over my head, I have zero familiarity with in-kernel
storage network users :S

In all honesty the tls code in the kernel is a bit of a dumping ground.
People come, dump a bunch of code and disappear. Nobody seems to care
that the result is still (years in) not ready for production use :/
Until a month ago it'd break connections even under moderate memory
pressure. This set does not even have selftests.

Plus there are more protocols being actively worked on (QUIC, PSP etc.)
Having per ULP special sauce to invoke a user space helper is not the
paradigm we chose, and the time as inopportune as ever to change that.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-26 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-18 16:49 [PATCH RFC 0/5] Implement a TLS handshake upcall Chuck Lever
2022-04-18 16:49 ` [PATCH RFC 1/5] net: Add distinct sk_psock field Chuck Lever
2022-04-21  7:35   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-07-13  4:46     ` Hawkins Jiawei
2022-07-13  4:46       ` Hawkins Jiawei
2022-04-18 16:49 ` [PATCH RFC 2/5] tls: build proto after context has been initialized Chuck Lever
2022-04-25 17:11   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-25 17:51     ` Chuck Lever III
2022-05-20 16:39   ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-18 16:49 ` [PATCH RFC 3/5] net/tls: Add an AF_TLSH address family Chuck Lever
2022-04-21  7:35   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-18 16:49 ` [PATCH RFC 4/5] net/tls: Add support for PF_TLSH (a TLS handshake listener) Chuck Lever
2022-04-21  7:36   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-25 17:14   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-26  9:43     ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-26 14:29       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-04-26 15:02         ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2022-04-26 15:58           ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-27  0:03             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-27 15:24               ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-28  7:26               ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-28 13:30                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-28 13:51                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-28 14:09                     ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-04-28 21:08                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-05-24 10:05                         ` [ovs-dev] " Ilya Maximets
2022-04-26 14:55       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-26 13:48     ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-26 14:55       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-26 15:58         ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-26 23:47           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-27 14:42             ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-27 23:53               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-28  1:29                 ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-28 21:08                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-28 21:54                     ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-28  8:49   ` Boris Pismenny
2022-04-28 13:12     ` Simo Sorce
2022-04-29 15:19       ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-28 15:24     ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-29  6:25       ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-18 16:49 ` [PATCH RFC 5/5] net/tls: Add observability for AF_TLSH sockets Chuck Lever
2022-04-21  7:36   ` Hannes Reinecke

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