From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67758C43217 for ; Wed, 11 May 2022 11:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S241087AbiEKLNb (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 May 2022 07:13:31 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:46042 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S238907AbiEKLN3 (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 May 2022 07:13:29 -0400 Received: from smtp-out1.suse.de (smtp-out1.suse.de [195.135.220.28]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E031B1ED29C; Wed, 11 May 2022 04:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.suse.de (relay2.suse.de [149.44.160.134]) by smtp-out1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983B121B32; Wed, 11 May 2022 11:13:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.com; s=susede1; t=1652267602; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=FC1sflG6Id2SKeEdl4FJxU/B3titx078hgJ9iLge96M=; b=PzdYpVjDm9GZjow/EUq37H7ookCOkOdew3j+O3sWtMh70hNVOnxtZzKqOPpZDQnacwtKh8 hTKee3j+Sl0MntfBuf4Onekv+PULsWjOAIitLyhS1jfqtNLxp3KL+emXCY3ZW29THEdaU3 +LT7bZxhID8yMwqQ2reWXTGMidRsh/s= Received: from suse.cz (pathway.suse.cz [10.100.12.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC7822C141; Wed, 11 May 2022 11:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 13:13:20 +0200 From: Petr Mladek To: John Ogness Cc: Steven Rostedt , "Guilherme G. Piccoli" , Evan Green , Andrew Morton , bhe@redhat.com, kexec@lists.infradead.org, LKML , bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, linux-leds@vger.kernel.org, linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, Linux PM , linux-remoteproc@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, linux-um@lists.infradead.org, linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, openipmi-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, rcu@vger.kernel.org, sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, x86@kernel.org, kernel-dev@igalia.com, kernel@gpiccoli.net, halves@canonical.com, fabiomirmar@gmail.com, alejandro.j.jimenez@oracle.com, Andy Shevchenko , Arnd Bergmann , Borislav Petkov , Jonathan Corbet , d.hatayama@jp.fujitsu.com, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, dyoung@redhat.com, feng.tang@intel.com, Greg Kroah-Hartman , mikelley@microsoft.com, hidehiro.kawai.ez@hitachi.com, jgross@suse.com, Kees Cook , luto@kernel.org, mhiramat@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, paulmck@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org, senozhatsky@chromium.org, Alan Stern , Thomas Gleixner , vgoyal@redhat.com, vkuznets@redhat.com, Will Deacon , Ard Biesheuvel , David Gow , Julius Werner Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/30] firmware: google: Convert regular spinlock into trylock on panic path Message-ID: <20220511111320.GB26047@pathway.suse.cz> References: <20220427224924.592546-1-gpiccoli@igalia.com> <20220427224924.592546-5-gpiccoli@igalia.com> <20220510132015.38923cb2@gandalf.local.home> <87h75xkwg9.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87h75xkwg9.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-remoteproc@vger.kernel.org On Tue 2022-05-10 21:46:38, John Ogness wrote: > On 2022-05-10, Steven Rostedt wrote: > >> As already mentioned in the other reply, panic() sometimes stops the > >> other CPUs using NMI, for example, see kdump_nmi_shootdown_cpus(). > >> > >> Another situation is when the CPU using the lock ends in some > >> infinite loop because something went wrong. The system is in > >> an unpredictable state during panic(). > >> > >> I am not sure if this is possible with the code under gsmi_dev.lock > >> but such things really happen during panic() in other subsystems. > >> Using trylock in the panic() code path is a good practice. > > > > I believe that Peter Zijlstra had a special spin lock for NMIs or > > early printk, where it would not block if the lock was held on the > > same CPU. That is, if an NMI happened and paniced while this lock was > > held on the same CPU, it would not deadlock. But it would block if the > > lock was held on another CPU. > > Yes. And starting with 5.19 it will be carrying the name that _you_ came > up with (cpu_sync): > > printk_cpu_sync_get_irqsave() > printk_cpu_sync_put_irqrestore() There is a risk that this lock might become a big kernel lock. This special lock would need to be used even during normal system operation. It does not make sense to suddenly start using another lock during panic. So I think that we should think twice before using it. I would prefer using trylock of the original lock when possible during panic. It is possible that I miss something. Best Regards, Petr From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.ozlabs.org (lists.ozlabs.org [112.213.38.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE825C433EF for ; Wed, 11 May 2022 12:38:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from boromir.ozlabs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by lists.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Kyvbf0v9Xz3cK5 for ; Wed, 11 May 2022 22:38:54 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=suse.com header.i=@suse.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=susede1 header.b=PzdYpVjD; dkim-atps=neutral Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; spf=pass (sender SPF authorized) smtp.mailfrom=suse.com (client-ip=195.135.220.29; helo=smtp-out2.suse.de; envelope-from=pmladek@suse.com; receiver=) Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=suse.com header.i=@suse.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=susede1 header.b=PzdYpVjD; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from smtp-out2.suse.de (smtp-out2.suse.de [195.135.220.29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by lists.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Kysj31qQFz2yb6 for ; Wed, 11 May 2022 21:13:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from relay2.suse.de (relay2.suse.de [149.44.160.134]) by smtp-out2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9864A1F37E; Wed, 11 May 2022 11:13:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.com; s=susede1; t=1652267602; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=FC1sflG6Id2SKeEdl4FJxU/B3titx078hgJ9iLge96M=; b=PzdYpVjDm9GZjow/EUq37H7ookCOkOdew3j+O3sWtMh70hNVOnxtZzKqOPpZDQnacwtKh8 hTKee3j+Sl0MntfBuf4Onekv+PULsWjOAIitLyhS1jfqtNLxp3KL+emXCY3ZW29THEdaU3 +LT7bZxhID8yMwqQ2reWXTGMidRsh/s= Received: from suse.cz (pathway.suse.cz [10.100.12.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC7822C141; Wed, 11 May 2022 11:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 13:13:20 +0200 From: Petr Mladek To: John Ogness Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/30] firmware: google: Convert regular spinlock into trylock on panic path Message-ID: <20220511111320.GB26047@pathway.suse.cz> References: <20220427224924.592546-1-gpiccoli@igalia.com> <20220427224924.592546-5-gpiccoli@igalia.com> <20220510132015.38923cb2@gandalf.local.home> <87h75xkwg9.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87h75xkwg9.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 11 May 2022 22:38:20 +1000 X-BeenThere: linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Linux on PowerPC Developers Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, halves@canonical.com, David Gow , Greg Kroah-Hartman , peterz@infradead.org, alejandro.j.jimenez@oracle.com, linux-remoteproc@vger.kernel.org, feng.tang@intel.com, linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, hidehiro.kawai.ez@hitachi.com, sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Will Deacon , Thomas Gleixner , linux-leds@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, mikelley@microsoft.com, paulmck@kernel.org, bhe@redhat.com, Jonathan Corbet , fabiomirmar@gmail.com, x86@kernel.org, Evan Green , Ard Biesheuvel , mingo@redhat.com, bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, dyoung@redhat.com, vgoyal@redhat.com, linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, Kees Cook , Arnd Bergmann , Linux PM , linux-um@lists.infradead.org, Steven Rostedt , rcu@vger.kernel.org, Borislav Petkov , luto@kernel.org, linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, openipmi-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, Andy Shevchenko , senozhatsky@chromium.org, vkuznets@redhat.com, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, jgross@suse.com, linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, kernel@gpiccoli.net, kexec@lists.infradead.org, LKML , Alan Stern , "Guilherme G. Piccoli" , d.hatayama@jp.fujitsu.com, mhiramat@kernel.org, kernel-dev@igalia.com, linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, Julius Werner , Andrew Morton , linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org Errors-To: linuxppc-dev-bounces+linuxppc-dev=archiver.kernel.org@lists.ozlabs.org Sender: "Linuxppc-dev" On Tue 2022-05-10 21:46:38, John Ogness wrote: > On 2022-05-10, Steven Rostedt wrote: > >> As already mentioned in the other reply, panic() sometimes stops the > >> other CPUs using NMI, for example, see kdump_nmi_shootdown_cpus(). > >> > >> Another situation is when the CPU using the lock ends in some > >> infinite loop because something went wrong. The system is in > >> an unpredictable state during panic(). > >> > >> I am not sure if this is possible with the code under gsmi_dev.lock > >> but such things really happen during panic() in other subsystems. > >> Using trylock in the panic() code path is a good practice. > > > > I believe that Peter Zijlstra had a special spin lock for NMIs or > > early printk, where it would not block if the lock was held on the > > same CPU. That is, if an NMI happened and paniced while this lock was > > held on the same CPU, it would not deadlock. But it would block if the > > lock was held on another CPU. > > Yes. And starting with 5.19 it will be carrying the name that _you_ came > up with (cpu_sync): > > printk_cpu_sync_get_irqsave() > printk_cpu_sync_put_irqrestore() There is a risk that this lock might become a big kernel lock. This special lock would need to be used even during normal system operation. It does not make sense to suddenly start using another lock during panic. So I think that we should think twice before using it. I would prefer using trylock of the original lock when possible during panic. It is possible that I miss something. Best Regards, Petr From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Petr Mladek Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 13:13:20 +0200 Subject: [PATCH 04/30] firmware: google: Convert regular spinlock into trylock on panic path In-Reply-To: <87h75xkwg9.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> References: <20220427224924.592546-1-gpiccoli@igalia.com> <20220427224924.592546-5-gpiccoli@igalia.com> <20220510132015.38923cb2@gandalf.local.home> <87h75xkwg9.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> Message-ID: <20220511111320.GB26047@pathway.suse.cz> List-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: kexec@lists.infradead.org On Tue 2022-05-10 21:46:38, John Ogness wrote: > On 2022-05-10, Steven Rostedt wrote: > >> As already mentioned in the other reply, panic() sometimes stops the > >> other CPUs using NMI, for example, see kdump_nmi_shootdown_cpus(). > >> > >> Another situation is when the CPU using the lock ends in some > >> infinite loop because something went wrong. The system is in > >> an unpredictable state during panic(). > >> > >> I am not sure if this is possible with the code under gsmi_dev.lock > >> but such things really happen during panic() in other subsystems. > >> Using trylock in the panic() code path is a good practice. > > > > I believe that Peter Zijlstra had a special spin lock for NMIs or > > early printk, where it would not block if the lock was held on the > > same CPU. That is, if an NMI happened and paniced while this lock was > > held on the same CPU, it would not deadlock. But it would block if the > > lock was held on another CPU. > > Yes. And starting with 5.19 it will be carrying the name that _you_ came > up with (cpu_sync): > > printk_cpu_sync_get_irqsave() > printk_cpu_sync_put_irqrestore() There is a risk that this lock might become a big kernel lock. This special lock would need to be used even during normal system operation. It does not make sense to suddenly start using another lock during panic. So I think that we should think twice before using it. I would prefer using trylock of the original lock when possible during panic. It is possible that I miss something. Best Regards, Petr From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 13:13:20 +0200 From: Petr Mladek Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/30] firmware: google: Convert regular spinlock into trylock on panic path Message-ID: <20220511111320.GB26047@pathway.suse.cz> References: <20220427224924.592546-1-gpiccoli@igalia.com> <20220427224924.592546-5-gpiccoli@igalia.com> <20220510132015.38923cb2@gandalf.local.home> <87h75xkwg9.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87h75xkwg9.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-um" Errors-To: linux-um-bounces+geert=linux-m68k.org@lists.infradead.org To: John Ogness Cc: Steven Rostedt , "Guilherme G. Piccoli" , Evan Green , Andrew Morton , bhe@redhat.com, kexec@lists.infradead.org, LKML , bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, linux-leds@vger.kernel.org, linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, Linux PM , linux-remoteproc@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, linux-um@lists.infradead.org, linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, openipmi-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, rcu@vger.kernel.org, sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, x86@kernel.org, kernel-dev@igalia.com, kernel@gpiccoli.net, halves@canonical.com, fabiomirmar@gmail.com, alejandro.j.jimenez@oracle.com, Andy Shevchenko , Arnd Bergmann , Borislav Petkov , Jonathan Corbet , d.hatayama@jp.fujitsu.com, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, dyoung@redhat.com, feng.tang@intel.com, Greg Kroah-Hartman , mikelley@microsoft.com, hidehiro.kawai.ez@hitachi.com, jgross@suse.com, Kees Cook , luto@kernel.org, mhiramat@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, paulmck@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org, senozhatsky@chromium.org, Alan Stern , Thomas Gleixner , vgoyal@redhat.com, vkuznets@redhat.com, Will Deacon , Ard Biesheuvel , David Gow , Julius Werner On Tue 2022-05-10 21:46:38, John Ogness wrote: > On 2022-05-10, Steven Rostedt wrote: > >> As already mentioned in the other reply, panic() sometimes stops the > >> other CPUs using NMI, for example, see kdump_nmi_shootdown_cpus(). > >> > >> Another situation is when the CPU using the lock ends in some > >> infinite loop because something went wrong. The system is in > >> an unpredictable state during panic(). > >> > >> I am not sure if this is possible with the code under gsmi_dev.lock > >> but such things really happen during panic() in other subsystems. > >> Using trylock in the panic() code path is a good practice. > > > > I believe that Peter Zijlstra had a special spin lock for NMIs or > > early printk, where it would not block if the lock was held on the > > same CPU. That is, if an NMI happened and paniced while this lock was > > held on the same CPU, it would not deadlock. But it would block if the > > lock was held on another CPU. > > Yes. And starting with 5.19 it will be carrying the name that _you_ came > up with (cpu_sync): > > printk_cpu_sync_get_irqsave() > printk_cpu_sync_put_irqrestore() There is a risk that this lock might become a big kernel lock. This special lock would need to be used even during normal system operation. It does not make sense to suddenly start using another lock during panic. So I think that we should think twice before using it. I would prefer using trylock of the original lock when possible during panic. It is possible that I miss something. Best Regards, Petr _______________________________________________ linux-um mailing list linux-um@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-um From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Petr Mladek Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/30] firmware: google: Convert regular spinlock into trylock on panic path Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 13:13:20 +0200 Message-ID: <20220511111320.GB26047@pathway.suse.cz> References: <20220427224924.592546-1-gpiccoli@igalia.com> <20220427224924.592546-5-gpiccoli@igalia.com> <20220510132015.38923cb2@gandalf.local.home> <87h75xkwg9.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Return-path: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.com; s=susede1; t=1652267602; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=FC1sflG6Id2SKeEdl4FJxU/B3titx078hgJ9iLge96M=; b=PzdYpVjDm9GZjow/EUq37H7ookCOkOdew3j+O3sWtMh70hNVOnxtZzKqOPpZDQnacwtKh8 hTKee3j+Sl0MntfBuf4Onekv+PULsWjOAIitLyhS1jfqtNLxp3KL+emXCY3ZW29THEdaU3 +LT7bZxhID8yMwqQ2reWXTGMidRsh/s= Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87h75xkwg9.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> List-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: John Ogness Cc: Steven Rostedt , "Guilherme G. Piccoli" , Evan Green , Andrew Morton , bhe@redhat.com, kexec@lists.infradead.org, LKML , bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, linux-leds@vger.kernel.org, linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, Linux PM , linux-remoteproc@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, linux-um@lists.infradead.org, linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, openipmi-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, rcu@vger.kernel.org, sparclinux@vger.kernel. On Tue 2022-05-10 21:46:38, John Ogness wrote: > On 2022-05-10, Steven Rostedt wrote: > >> As already mentioned in the other reply, panic() sometimes stops the > >> other CPUs using NMI, for example, see kdump_nmi_shootdown_cpus(). > >> > >> Another situation is when the CPU using the lock ends in some > >> infinite loop because something went wrong. The system is in > >> an unpredictable state during panic(). > >> > >> I am not sure if this is possible with the code under gsmi_dev.lock > >> but such things really happen during panic() in other subsystems. > >> Using trylock in the panic() code path is a good practice. > > > > I believe that Peter Zijlstra had a special spin lock for NMIs or > > early printk, where it would not block if the lock was held on the > > same CPU. That is, if an NMI happened and paniced while this lock was > > held on the same CPU, it would not deadlock. But it would block if the > > lock was held on another CPU. > > Yes. And starting with 5.19 it will be carrying the name that _you_ came > up with (cpu_sync): > > printk_cpu_sync_get_irqsave() > printk_cpu_sync_put_irqrestore() There is a risk that this lock might become a big kernel lock. This special lock would need to be used even during normal system operation. It does not make sense to suddenly start using another lock during panic. So I think that we should think twice before using it. I would prefer using trylock of the original lock when possible during panic. It is possible that I miss something. Best Regards, Petr