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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	John Dias <joaodias@google.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] mm: fix is_pinnable_page against on cma page
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 17:35:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220512003543.GA2043693@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YnxUTxnCJ6EsmjEi@google.com>

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 05:26:55PM -0700, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 05:22:07PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 05:12:32PM -0700, John Hubbard wrote:
> > > On 5/11/22 16:57, John Hubbard wrote:
> > > > On 5/11/22 16:45, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well no, because the "&" operation is a single operation on the CPU, and
> > > > > > isn't going to get split up like that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Chiming in a bit late...
> > > > 
> > > > Much appreciated!
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The usual way that this sort of thing causes trouble is if there is a
> > > > > single store instruction that changes the value from MIGRATE_ISOLATE
> > > > > to MIGRATE_CMA, and if the compiler decides to fetch twice, AND twice,
> > > > 
> > > > Doing an AND twice for "x & constant" this definitely blows my mind. Is
> > > > nothing sacred? :)
> > > > 
> > > > > and then combine the results.  This could give a zero outcome where the
> > > > > underlying variable never had the value zero.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is this sort of thing low probability?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Definitely.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Isn't this sort of thing prohibited?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Definitely not.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So what you have will likely work for at least a while longer, but it
> > > > > is not guaranteed and it forces you to think a lot harder about what
> > > > > the current implementations of the compiler can and cannot do to you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The following LWN article goes through some of the possible optimizations
> > > > > (vandalisms?) in this area: https://lwn.net/Articles/793253/
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > hmm, I don't think we hit any of those  cases, do we? Because here, the
> > > > "write" side is via a non-inline function that I just don't believe the
> > > > compiler is allowed to call twice. Or is it?
> > > > 
> > > > Minchan's earlier summary:
> > > > 
> > > > CPU 0                         CPU1
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                                set_pageblock_migratetype(MIGRATE_ISOLATE)
> > > > 
> > > > if (get_pageblock_migrate(page) & MIGRATE_CMA)
> > > > 
> > > >                                set_pageblock_migratetype(MIGRATE_CMA)
> > > > 
> > > > if (get_pageblock_migrate(page) & MIGRATE_ISOLATE)
> > > > 
> > > > ...where set_pageblock_migratetype() is not inline.
> > > > 
> > > > thanks,
> > > 
> > > Let me try to say this more clearly: I don't think that the following
> > > __READ_ONCE() statement can actually help anything, given that
> > > get_pageblock_migratetype() is non-inlined:
> > > 
> > > +	int __mt = get_pageblock_migratetype(page);
> > > +	int mt = __READ_ONCE(__mt);
> > > +
> > > +	if (mt & (MIGRATE_CMA | MIGRATE_ISOLATE))
> > > +		return false;
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Am I missing anything here?
> > 
> > In the absence of future aggression from link-time optimizations (LTO),
> > you are missing nothing.
> 
> A thing I want to note is Android kernel uses LTO full mode.

I doubt that current LTO can do this sort of optimized inlining, at least,
not yet.

							Thanx, Paul

      parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-12  0:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-10 21:17 [PATCH v4] mm: fix is_pinnable_page against on cma page Minchan Kim
2022-05-10 22:56 ` John Hubbard
2022-05-10 23:31   ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-10 23:58     ` John Hubbard
2022-05-11  0:09       ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-11  4:32         ` John Hubbard
2022-05-11 21:46           ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-11 22:25             ` John Hubbard
2022-05-11 22:37               ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-11 22:49                 ` John Hubbard
2022-05-11 23:08                   ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-11 23:13                     ` John Hubbard
2022-05-11 23:15                       ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-11 23:28                         ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-11 23:33                           ` John Hubbard
2022-05-11 23:45                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-05-11 23:57                         ` John Hubbard
2022-05-12  0:12                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-05-12  0:12                           ` John Hubbard
2022-05-12  0:22                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-05-12  0:26                               ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-12  0:34                                 ` John Hubbard
2022-05-12  0:49                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-05-12  1:02                                     ` John Hubbard
2022-05-12  1:03                                     ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-12  1:08                                       ` John Hubbard
2022-05-12  2:18                                         ` John Hubbard
2022-05-12  3:44                                           ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-12  4:47                                             ` John Hubbard
2022-05-17 14:00                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-17 18:12                                               ` John Hubbard
2022-05-17 19:28                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-17 20:12                                                   ` John Hubbard
2022-05-17 20:21                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-05-23 16:33                                                     ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-24  2:55                                                       ` John Hubbard
2022-05-24  5:16                                                         ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-24  6:22                                                           ` John Hubbard
2022-05-24 14:19                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-24 15:43                                                             ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-24 15:48                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-24 16:37                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-05-24 16:59                                                                   ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-12  3:57                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-05-12  1:03                                   ` Minchan Kim
2022-05-12  0:35                                 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]

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