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From: "Michal Suchánek" <msuchanek@suse.de>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>, "Ani Sinha" <ani@anisinha.ca>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"John Snow" <jsnow@redhat.com>,
	"Laurent Vivier" <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	imammedo@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: Why we should avoid new submodules if possible
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 23:43:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220928214302.GT28810@kitsune.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220928170234-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 05:07:48PM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 10:48:03PM +0200, Michal Suchánek wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 07:00:59AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > git submodules are awkward basically because they are an automated wget.
> > > I don't think an explicit wget is much better ... but
> > > looks like I'm alone in this. Oh well.
> > > So it will be a weird dance of wget a tarball, unpack, generate
> > > ISO and run. God help you if you need to patch the test - it's
> > > wget all the way down.
> > 
> > That's the problem - the submodules are not automated. They are
> > half-automated, and the rules for when the automation works and for when
> > the automation falls apart are not intellibible for the general Joe
> > Developer.
> > 
> > You might spend a few days studying how they behave exactly, and then you
> > will know. But unless you will use them every day you will forget again,
> > because the rules do not lend themselves to some abstraction easily
> > understood by humans.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Michal
> 
> But why would learning a different tool be easier?

a) it's working lends itself to explaining in human-intelligible
concepts

b) it's used elsewhere as well

Thanks

Michal


  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-28 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-27  7:28 [PATCH 00/12] Introduce new acpi/smbios qtests using biosbits Ani Sinha
2022-06-27  7:28 ` [PATCH 01/12] qtest: meson.build changes required to integrate python based qtests Ani Sinha
2022-06-27  7:28 ` [PATCH 04/12] acpi/tests/bits: initial commit of test scripts that are run by biosbits Ani Sinha
2022-06-28  7:24   ` Thomas Huth
2022-06-28  9:52     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-27  7:28 ` [PATCH 05/12] acpi/tests/bits: disable acpi PSS tests that are failing in biosbits Ani Sinha
2022-06-27  7:28 ` [PATCH 06/12] acpi/tests/bits: add smilatency test suite from bits in order to disable it Ani Sinha
2022-06-27  7:28 ` [PATCH 07/12] acpi/tests/bits: disable smilatency test since it does not pass everytime Ani Sinha
2022-06-27  7:28 ` [PATCH 08/12] acpi/tests/bits: add biosbits config file for running bios tests Ani Sinha
2022-06-27  7:28 ` [PATCH 09/12] acpi/tests/bits: add acpi and smbios python tests that uses biosbits Ani Sinha
2022-06-28  7:20   ` Thomas Huth
2022-06-28  7:26     ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28  7:36       ` Thomas Huth
2022-06-28  9:55       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 10:00         ` Thomas Huth
2022-06-27  7:28 ` [PATCH 10/12] acpi/tests/bits: add acpi bits qtest directory in meson for running tests Ani Sinha
2022-06-27  7:28 ` [PATCH 11/12] acpi/tests/bits: add README file for bits qtests Ani Sinha
2022-06-27 22:26   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28  4:57     ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28  6:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28  6:16         ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28  6:20           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28  6:36             ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28  6:50               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28  6:57                 ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28  7:03                   ` venv for python qtest bits? (was: Re: [PATCH 11/12] acpi/tests/bits: add README file for bits qtests) Thomas Huth
2022-06-28  7:10                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28  7:25                       ` Thomas Huth
2022-06-28  7:48                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28  7:51                           ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28  8:23                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28  8:28                               ` Thomas Huth
2022-06-28  8:35                                 ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28  8:49                                   ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28 10:03                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 10:21                                       ` Why we should avoid new submodules if possible Thomas Huth
2022-06-28 10:30                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 10:43                                           ` Peter Maydell
2022-06-28 11:00                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 14:54                                               ` Warner Losh
2022-09-28 20:48                                               ` Michal Suchánek
2022-09-28 21:07                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-28 21:43                                                   ` Michal Suchánek [this message]
2022-06-28 10:50                                           ` Thomas Huth
2022-06-28 11:14                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 12:39                                               ` Thomas Huth
2022-06-28 14:45                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 15:54                                                 ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28 16:15                                                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28 18:00                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-29  6:28                                                       ` Ani Sinha
2022-07-01  3:34                                                         ` Thomas Huth
2022-07-02  0:05                                                           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé via
2022-09-28  9:26                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-28  9:33                                           ` Thomas Huth
2022-09-28  9:47                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-28  9:55                                               ` Thomas Huth
2022-09-28  9:37                                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-09-28  9:53                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-28  9:57                                               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-09-28 10:07                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-28 13:15                                                 ` Warner Losh
2022-09-28 13:22                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-28 10:13                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-28 10:18                                               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-09-28 13:12                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-28 15:07                                                   ` Peter Maydell
2022-09-28 19:59                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-28 13:06                                               ` Warner Losh
2022-06-28 10:04                                   ` venv for python qtest bits? (was: Re: [PATCH 11/12] acpi/tests/bits: add README file for bits qtests) Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28 10:07                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 10:18                                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28 10:25                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 10:41                                         ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28 10:28                                       ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28 10:42                                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28 11:18                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 11:28                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 12:10                                             ` Peter Maydell
2022-06-28 12:36                                               ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28 12:42                                                 ` Thomas Huth
2022-06-28 12:55                                                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28 13:22                                                   ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28 13:44                                                     ` Peter Maydell
2022-06-28 13:53                                                       ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28 13:55                                                         ` Peter Maydell
2022-07-01  4:12                                                         ` Thomas Huth
2022-07-01  6:53                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-01  7:28                                                             ` Ani Sinha
2022-07-01  7:38                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-01  7:50                                                                 ` Ani Sinha
2022-07-01  9:42                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-01 10:14                                                                     ` Ani Sinha
2022-07-01 12:54                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-07-04 13:32                                                                         ` Ani Sinha
2022-07-05 13:48                                                                           ` Ani Sinha
2022-07-07 12:49                                                                 ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28 14:41                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 14:38                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 10:14                                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28 10:21                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 10:30                                     ` Thomas Huth
2022-06-28 10:30                                   ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28 10:49                                     ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28 10:12                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 10:16                                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28 10:00                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28  7:49                         ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28  7:53                           ` Thomas Huth
2022-06-28  9:53                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28  7:05                   ` [PATCH 11/12] acpi/tests/bits: add README file for bits qtests Ani Sinha
2022-06-27  7:28 ` [PATCH 12/12] MAINTAINERS: add myself as the maintainer for acpi biosbits qtests Ani Sinha
2022-06-28  8:09 ` [PATCH 00/12] Introduce new acpi/smbios qtests using biosbits Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28  8:33   ` Ani Sinha
2022-06-28 10:06     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28 10:16       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-06-28 10:21         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28 10:35           ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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