From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from 1wt.eu (wtarreau.pck.nerim.net [62.212.114.60]) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF8517C1; Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from willy@localhost) by pcw.home.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 293A432u025351; Mon, 3 Oct 2022 12:04:03 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 12:04:03 +0200 From: Willy Tarreau To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven , Konstantin Ryabitsev , "Theodore Ts'o" , Thorsten Leemhuis , Greg KH , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Mario Limonciello , Mike Rapoport , Al Viro , Steven Rostedt Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Message-ID: <20221003100403.GA25318@1wt.eu> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1d3fdc6a-a98a-fe3b-2e3e-acc2ffa24f9d@gmx.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) On Mon, Oct 03, 2022 at 07:49:38AM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > Lore looks alien to me and in my life I've worked with a dozen bug trackers. > > * Where are open "issues"? > * Which issues are now resolved? > * What's the status of the "issue"? Very often this status is an issue by itself. It only serves to hide the less interesting junk to discover what's left behind, but when people continue to respond to resolved issues nobody sees that. And if you block them from continuing to feed a closed issue, it's even worse as it forces them to reopen a new one that causes duplication. With e-mails you can respond to an old message if you want and keep all the participants. And it does happen. > If you remove bugzilla I'll never use lore.kernel.org, I promise. It's a convincing argument, for sure! > > > Again the volume of bug reports is relatively low, fewer than two dozen > > > a week. > > > > Which proves this tool is insignificant in the grant scheme of (Linux) > > things. > > > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204807 > > A very insignificant exchange of over 2 hundred comments, patches, > suggestions, etc. by the people absolute most of whom would have failed > to do that via email. You've already claimed that and we've also told you that it could very well have been the opposite and have been resolved in 6 months instead of 2.5 years, by having many more eyes on it. The thing is that you're only listening to yourself and not to the arguments that the people you accuse of not reading the lists gave you. At this point there's not much more that can be done, you've completely closed that discussion by refusing to listen, thus I think it's better to stop now. Willy