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From: Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>
To: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
Cc: "xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	"mattjd@gmail.com" <mattjd@gmail.com>,
	"security@xen.org" <security@xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/22] libxc: introduce xc_dom_seg_to_ptr_pages
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:02:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20917.56455.847804.270002@mariner.uk.xensource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51B5D97D.9080708@citrix.com>

Andrew Cooper writes ("Re: [PATCH 02/22] libxc: introduce xc_dom_seg_to_ptr_pages"):
> On 10/06/13 14:40, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Or to put it another way: doing it this way makes it easier to see
> > that the resulting code is correct.
> 
> I absolutely agree for unstable, but am arguing this around a minimal
> set of changes for a security fix.

The reasoning behind security fixes having a minimal set of changes
is as follows:

1. We want security fixes to have a low probability of mistakes
   (both regressions and failures to fix the whole problem).

2. Therefore we want security fixes to be easy to review.

3. Therefore, and directly from (1), security fixes should be as
   obviously correct as possible.

4. Normally the best way to make a patch or series more obviously
   correct is to make it shorter.

The goal of making security fixes short (4) exists only to serve the
goals of review (3) and correctness (1).  If it is easier to assure
correctness of a longer series, then that longer series is desirable.

As I say:
> > Or to put it another way: doing it this way makes it easier to see
> > that the resulting code is correct.

Indeed this whole series is much bigger, textually, than it could have
been.  Folding the patches into a single diff would make the result
"smaller" by a factor of two.  Using a different approach such as
trying to add specific range checking at every pointer computation
site might well have produced a smaller patch, but it would be much
harder to see whether the results were correct.

> In practice, I would suggest that xc_dom_seg_to_ptr() be updated to have
> the pages count, and all callsites updated appropriately.

When you say "have the pages count" what do you mean ?  You mean to
_take_ the pages count ?  But the pages count can usefully be computed
centrally in xc_dom_seg_to_ptr.

Ian.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-10 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-07 18:27 [PATCH v6 00/22] XSA55 libelf fixes for unstable Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 01/22] libelf: abolish libelf-relocate.c Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 02/22] libxc: introduce xc_dom_seg_to_ptr_pages Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 12:21   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-10 13:40     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 13:49       ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-10 14:02         ` Ian Jackson [this message]
2013-06-10 15:24           ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 03/22] libxc: Fix range checking in xc_dom_pfn_to_ptr etc Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 15:46   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-10 15:48     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 15:53       ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-10 15:54         ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 04/22] libelf: add `struct elf_binary*' parameter to elf_load_image Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 05/22] libelf: abolish elf_sval and elf_access_signed Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 06/22] libelf: move include of <asm/guest_access.h> to top of file Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 07/22] libelf/xc_dom_load_elf_symtab: Do not use "syms" uninitialised Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 08/22] libelf: introduce macros for memory access and pointer handling Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 16:57   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-10 16:58     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 09/22] tools/xcutils/readnotes: adjust print_l1_mfn_valid_note Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 10/22] libelf: check nul-terminated strings properly Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 23:17   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 15:17     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 11/22] libelf: check all pointer accesses Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 23:38   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 15:28     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 12/22] libelf: Check pointer references in elf_is_elfbinary Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 23:04   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 15:11     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-11 16:00       ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 16:33         ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 13/22] libelf: Make all callers call elf_check_broken Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 14/22] libelf: use C99 bool for booleans Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 22:09   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11  7:17     ` Jan Beulich
2013-06-11 14:50     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 15/22] libelf: use only unsigned integers Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 18:28   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 13:16     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 16/22] libelf: check loops for running away Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 22:56   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 15:07     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 17/22] libelf: abolish obsolete macros Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 18/22] libxc: Add range checking to xc_dom_binloader Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 21:37   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 14:46     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 19/22] libxc: check failure of xc_dom_*_to_ptr, xc_map_foreign_range Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 21:09   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 14:44     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 20/22] libxc: check return values from malloc Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:32   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 15:53     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 20:38   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 14:31     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 21/22] libxc: range checks in xc_dom_p2m_host and _guest Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:33   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-08 12:05     ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 15:58       ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-11 16:19         ` Tim Deegan
2013-06-07 18:27 ` [PATCH 22/22] libxc: check blob size before proceeding in xc_dom_check_gzip Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 20:10   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 13:46     ` Ian Jackson
2013-06-10 23:44 ` [PATCH v6 00/22] XSA55 libelf fixes for unstable Andrew Cooper
2013-06-07 18:35 [PATCH v6 00/22] XSA55 libelf fixes for Xen 4.2 Ian Jackson
2013-06-07 18:35 ` [PATCH 02/22] libxc: introduce xc_dom_seg_to_ptr_pages Ian Jackson
2013-06-11 18:20 [PATCH v7 00/22] XSA55 libelf fixes for unstable Ian Jackson
2013-06-11 18:20 ` [PATCH 02/22] libxc: introduce xc_dom_seg_to_ptr_pages Ian Jackson
2013-06-11 18:44   ` Andrew Cooper
2013-06-11 18:22 [PATCH v7 00/22] XSA55 libelf fixes for Xen 4.2 Ian Jackson
2013-06-11 18:22 ` [PATCH 02/22] libxc: introduce xc_dom_seg_to_ptr_pages Ian Jackson

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