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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Dongli Zhang <dongli.zhang@oracle.com>,
	Joe Jin <joe.jin@oracle.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/1] KVM: x86: add param to update master clock periodically
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2023 10:12:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20EAA3C4-A9F4-4EC1-AE0C-D540CC2E024A@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZRtl94_rIif3GRpu@google.com>



On 3 October 2023 01:53:11 BST, Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
>I think there is still use for synchronizing with the host's view of time, e.g.
>to deal with lost time across host suspend+resume.
>
>So I don't think we can completely sever KVM's paravirt clocks from host time,
>at least not without harming use cases that rely on the host's view to keep
>accurate time.  And honestly at that point, the right answer would be to stop
>advertising paravirt clocks entirely.
>
>But I do think we can address the issues that Dongli and David are obversing
>where guest time drifts even though the host kernel's base time hasn't changed.
>If I've pieced everything together correctly, the drift can be eliminated simply
>by using the paravirt clock algorithm when converting the delta from the raw TSC
>to nanoseconds.
>
>This is *very* lightly tested, as in it compiles and doesn't explode, but that's
>about all I've tested.

Hm, I don't think I like this.

You're making get_monotonic_raw() not *actually* return the monotonic_raw clock, but basically return the kvmclock instead? And why? So that when KVM attempts to synchronize the kvmclock to the monotonic_raw clock, it gets tricked into actually synchronizing the kvmclock to *itself*?

If you get this right, don't we have a fairly complex piece of code that has precisely *no* effect? 

Can't we just *refrain* from synchronizing the kvmclock to *anything*, in the CONSTANT_TSC case? Why do we do that anyway?

(Suspend/resume, live update and live migration are different. In *those* cases we may need to preserve both the guest TSC and kvmclock based on either the host TSC or CLOCK_TAI. But that's different.)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-03  9:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-26 23:06 [PATCH RFC 1/1] KVM: x86: add param to update master clock periodically Dongli Zhang
2023-09-27  0:29 ` Joe Jin
2023-09-27  0:36   ` Dongli Zhang
2023-09-28 16:18     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-29 20:15       ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-02  8:33         ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-02 16:37           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 17:17             ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-02 18:18               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 21:06                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 21:16                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 18:16             ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-03  0:53               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03  1:32                 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03  1:49                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03  2:07                     ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03 21:00                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03  5:54                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04  0:04                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 10:01                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04 18:06                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 19:13                         ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-11  0:20                           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-11  7:18                             ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 18:07                               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 18:21                                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 19:02                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 19:12                                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 20:03                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 20:12                                 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-13 23:26                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-14  9:49                                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:47                                       ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 16:25                                         ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 17:04                                           ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 18:49                                           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-16 22:04                                             ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 22:48                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-17 16:18                                                 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03  9:12                 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2023-10-04  0:07                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04  8:06                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-03 14:29                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04  0:10                   ` Sean Christopherson

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