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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Thomas Ilsche <thomas.ilsche@tu-dresden.de>,
	Doug Smythies <dsmythies@telus.net>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <mgalbraith@suse.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: [RFT][PATCH v5 0/7] sched/cpuidle: Idle loop rework
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:59:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2142751.3U6XgWyF8u@aspire.rjw.lan> (raw)

Hi All,

Thanks a lot for the feedback so far!

One more respin after the last batch of comments from Peter and Frederic.

The previous summary that still applies:

On Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:21:30 PM CET Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> The problem is that if we stop the sched tick in
> tick_nohz_idle_enter() and then the idle governor predicts short idle
> duration, we lose regardless of whether or not it is right.
> 
> If it is right, we've lost already, because we stopped the tick
> unnecessarily.  If it is not right, we'll lose going forward, because
> the idle state selected by the governor is going to be too shallow and
> we'll draw too much power (that has been reported recently to actually
> happen often enough for people to care).
> 
> This patch series is an attempt to improve the situation and the idea
> here is to make the decision whether or not to stop the tick deeper in
> the idle loop and in particular after running the idle state selection
> in the path where the idle governor is invoked.  This way the problem
> can be avoided, because the idle duration predicted by the idle governor
> can be used to decide whether or not to stop the tick so that the tick
> is only stopped if that value is large enough (and, consequently, the
> idle state selected by the governor is deep enough).
> 
> The series tires to avoid adding too much new code, rather reorder the
> existing code and make it more fine-grained.
>
> Patch 1 prepares the tick-sched code for the subsequent modifications and it
> doesn't change the code's functionality (at least not intentionally).
> 
> Patch 2 starts pushing the tick stopping decision deeper into the idle
> loop, but that is limited to do_idle() and tick_nohz_irq_exit().
> 
> Patch 3 makes cpuidle_idle_call() decide whether or not to stop the tick
> and sets the stage for the subsequent changes.
> 
> Patch 4 adds a bool pointer argument to cpuidle_select() and the ->select
> governor callback allowing them to return a "nohz" hint on whether or not to
> stop the tick to the caller.  It also adds code to decide what value to
> return as "nohz" to the menu governor.
> 
> Patch 5 reorders the idle state selection with respect to the stopping of
> the tick and causes the additional "nohz" hint from cpuidle_select() to be
> used for deciding whether or not to stop the tick.
> 
> Patch 6 causes the menu governor to refine the state selection in case the
> tick is not going to be stopped and the already selected state may not fit
> before the next tick time.
> 
> Patch 7 Deals with the situation in which the tick was stopped previously,
> but the idle governor still predicts short idle.

This series is complementary to the poll_idle() patch at

https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10282237/

Thanks,
Rafael

             reply	other threads:[~2018-03-15 22:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-15 21:59 Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2018-03-15 22:03 ` [RFT][PATCH v5 1/7] time: tick-sched: Reorganize idle tick management code Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-15 22:05 ` [RFT][PATCH v5 2/7] sched: idle: Do not stop the tick upfront in the idle loop Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-15 22:07 ` [RFT][PATCH v5 3/7] sched: idle: Do not stop the tick before cpuidle_idle_call() Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-15 22:11 ` [RFT][PATCH v5 4/7] cpuidle: Return nohz hint from cpuidle_select() Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-19  9:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-19  9:39     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-15 22:13 ` [RFT][PATCH v5 5/7] sched: idle: Select idle state before stopping the tick Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-15 22:16 ` [RFT][PATCH v5 6/7] cpuidle: menu: Refine idle state selection for running tick Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-19  9:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-19  9:49     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-15 22:19 ` [RFT][PATCH v5 7/7] cpuidle: menu: Avoid selecting shallow states with stopped tick Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-19 12:47   ` Thomas Ilsche
2018-03-19 18:21   ` Doug Smythies
2018-03-20 17:15   ` Doug Smythies
2018-03-20 17:28     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-17 12:42 ` [RFT][PATCH v5 0/7] sched/cpuidle: Idle loop rework Thomas Ilsche
2018-03-17 16:11 ` Doug Smythies
2018-03-18 11:00   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-18 16:15     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-19 10:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-19 11:36         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-19 11:58           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-19 12:31           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-20 10:01       ` Thomas Ilsche
2018-03-20 10:49         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-20 17:15       ` Doug Smythies
2018-03-20 21:03       ` Doug Smythies
2018-03-21  6:33         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-21 13:51         ` Doug Smythies
2018-03-21 13:58           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-03-18 15:30   ` Doug Smythies
2018-03-18 16:06     ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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