From: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com> To: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>, linux-audit@redhat.com Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, selinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-audit@redhat.com, Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, io-uring@vger.kernel.org, Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 11:11:50 -0400 [thread overview] Message-ID: <2197994.ElGaqSPkdT@x2> (raw) In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhTAvcB0A2dpv1Xn7sa+Kh1n+e-dJr_8wSSRaxS4D0f9Sw@mail.gmail.com> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:38:38 AM EDT Paul Moore wrote: > > > We would need to check with the current security requirements (there > > > are distro people on the linux-audit list that keep track of that > > > stuff), The requirements generally care about resource access. File open, connect, accept, etc. We don't care about read/write itself as that would flood the analysis. > > > but looking at the opcodes right now my gut feeling is that > > > most of the opcodes would be considered "security relevant" so > > > selective auditing might not be that useful in practice. I'd say maybe a quarter to a third look interesting. > > > It would > > > definitely clutter the code and increase the chances that new opcodes > > > would not be properly audited when they are merged. There is that... > > I'm curious, why it's enabled by many distros by default? Are there > > use cases they use? > > We've already talked about certain users and environments where audit > is an important requirement, e.g. public sector, health care, > financial institutions, etc.; without audit Linux wouldn't be an > option for these users, People that care about auditing are under regulatory mandates. They care more about the audit event than the performance. Imagine you have a system with some brand new medical discovery. You want to know anyone who accesses the information in case it gets leaked out. You don't care how slow the system gets - you simply *have* to know everyone who's looked at the documents. -Steve
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From: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com> To: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>, linux-audit@redhat.com Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, selinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-audit@redhat.com, Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, io-uring@vger.kernel.org, Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 11:11:50 -0400 [thread overview] Message-ID: <2197994.ElGaqSPkdT@x2> (raw) In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhTAvcB0A2dpv1Xn7sa+Kh1n+e-dJr_8wSSRaxS4D0f9Sw@mail.gmail.com> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:38:38 AM EDT Paul Moore wrote: > > > We would need to check with the current security requirements (there > > > are distro people on the linux-audit list that keep track of that > > > stuff), The requirements generally care about resource access. File open, connect, accept, etc. We don't care about read/write itself as that would flood the analysis. > > > but looking at the opcodes right now my gut feeling is that > > > most of the opcodes would be considered "security relevant" so > > > selective auditing might not be that useful in practice. I'd say maybe a quarter to a third look interesting. > > > It would > > > definitely clutter the code and increase the chances that new opcodes > > > would not be properly audited when they are merged. There is that... > > I'm curious, why it's enabled by many distros by default? Are there > > use cases they use? > > We've already talked about certain users and environments where audit > is an important requirement, e.g. public sector, health care, > financial institutions, etc.; without audit Linux wouldn't be an > option for these users, People that care about auditing are under regulatory mandates. They care more about the audit event than the performance. Imagine you have a system with some brand new medical discovery. You want to know anyone who accesses the information in case it gets leaked out. You don't care how slow the system gets - you simply *have* to know everyone who's looked at the documents. -Steve -- Linux-audit mailing list Linux-audit@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-audit
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-05-26 15:12 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2021-05-21 21:49 [RFC PATCH 0/9] Add LSM access controls and auditing to io_uring Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:49 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] audit: prepare audit_context for use in calling contexts beyond syscalls Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:49 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: " Paul Moore 2021-05-22 0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: " Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-22 0:22 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-22 2:36 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-22 2:36 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-23 20:26 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-23 20:26 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-24 19:59 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-24 19:59 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-25 8:27 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-25 8:27 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-25 14:53 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-25 14:53 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 1:11 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 1:11 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 2:04 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 2:04 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 10:19 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-26 10:19 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-26 14:38 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 14:38 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 15:11 ` Steve Grubb [this message] 2021-05-26 15:11 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: " Steve Grubb 2021-05-26 15:17 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: " Stefan Metzmacher 2021-05-26 15:17 ` Stefan Metzmacher 2021-05-26 15:49 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-26 15:49 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-26 17:22 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:22 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-27 17:27 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-27 17:27 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-26 15:49 ` Victor Stewart 2021-05-26 15:49 ` Victor Stewart 2021-05-26 16:38 ` Casey Schaufler 2021-05-26 16:38 ` Casey Schaufler 2021-05-26 17:15 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:15 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:31 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:31 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:54 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:54 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 18:01 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 18:01 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 18:44 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 18:44 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 18:57 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-26 18:57 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-26 19:10 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 19:10 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 19:44 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 19:44 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 20:19 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 20:19 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-28 16:02 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-28 16:02 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 8:26 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-02 8:26 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-02 15:46 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-02 15:46 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-03 10:39 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-03 10:39 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-02 19:46 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 19:46 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-03 10:51 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-03 10:51 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-03 15:54 ` Casey Schaufler 2021-06-03 15:54 ` Casey Schaufler 2021-06-03 15:54 ` Jens Axboe 2021-06-03 15:54 ` Jens Axboe 2021-06-04 5:04 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-04 5:04 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 18:38 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 18:38 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 17:29 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: " Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-02 17:29 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-02 20:46 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 20:46 ` Paul Moore 2021-08-25 1:21 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-08-25 1:21 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-08-25 19:41 ` Paul Moore 2021-08-25 19:41 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] audit: dev/test patch to force io_uring auditing Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] audit: add filtering for io_uring records Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-28 22:35 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-28 22:35 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-30 15:26 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-30 15:26 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-31 13:44 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-31 13:44 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-02 1:40 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 1:40 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 15:37 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-02 15:37 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-02 17:20 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 17:20 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-31 13:44 ` [PATCH 1/2] audit: add filtering for io_uring records, addendum Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-31 13:44 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-31 16:08 ` kernel test robot 2021-05-31 16:08 ` kernel test robot 2021-05-31 16:08 ` kernel test robot 2021-05-31 17:38 ` kernel test robot 2021-05-31 17:38 ` kernel test robot 2021-05-31 17:38 ` kernel test robot 2021-06-07 23:15 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-07 23:15 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-08 12:55 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-08 12:55 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-09 2:45 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-09 2:45 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-31 13:44 ` [PATCH 2/2] audit: block PERM fields being used with io_uring filtering Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-31 13:44 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] fs: add anon_inode_getfile_secure() similar to anon_inode_getfd_secure() Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] io_uring: convert io_uring to the secure anon inode interface Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] lsm,io_uring: add LSM hooks to io_uring Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 14:48 ` Stefan Metzmacher 2021-05-26 14:48 ` Stefan Metzmacher 2021-05-26 20:45 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 20:45 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] selinux: add support for the io_uring access controls Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] Smack: Brutalist io_uring support with debug Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-22 0:53 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] Add LSM access controls and auditing to io_uring Tetsuo Handa 2021-05-22 0:53 ` Tetsuo Handa 2021-05-22 2:06 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-22 2:06 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 15:00 ` Jeff Moyer 2021-05-26 15:00 ` Jeff Moyer 2021-05-26 18:49 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 18:49 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 19:07 ` Jeff Moyer 2021-05-26 19:07 ` Jeff Moyer 2021-05-26 19:10 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 19:10 ` Paul Moore
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