From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751507AbVLFAKL (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:10:11 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751508AbVLFAKK (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:10:10 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.82.205]:45751 "EHLO xproxy.gmail.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751507AbVLFAKJ convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:10:09 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GlAUixJtaQ17OXpDfZmnHdd1Br38BncoZOHTNk+Ur35ECsilnW9RmsiFTCQtpC1aw2Y2zR8kMhV4uR9W+WmjAZiLHSxUA7vr4kUtiuURwWIufhsH8m6u/1FnJzaYTxJgriJVrdk5b4aNZPCMv8PTWHR+X4+SK7XpHw50E1mJFvE= Message-ID: <21d7e9970512051610n1244467am12adc8373c1a4473@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:10:08 +1100 From: Dave Airlie To: Tim Bird Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario Cc: David Woodhouse , arjan@infradead.org, andrew@walrond.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <4394D396.1020102@am.sony.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <200512051826.06703.andrew@walrond.org> <1133817575.11280.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1133817888.9356.78.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <1133819684.11280.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394D396.1020102@am.sony.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > To the larger argument about supporting binary drivers, > all Arjan manages to prove with his post is that, > if handled in the worst possible way, support for > binary drivers would be a disaster. Who can disagree > with that? > And do you think that given the opportunity, any company is going spend the extra money required to not do it in the worst possible way?? Companies want to spend as little as possible on drivers, and drop support as soon as it makes sense financially to do so, they aren't going to come to the correct best possible way on their own, or via consortia of companies ala CEL or OSDL, they require outside pressure to make them change their mindset from the only example they have which is developing Windows drivers.. Dave.