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From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org>, <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	<akpm@linux-foundation.org>, <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	<jhubbard@nvidia.com>, <rcampbell@nvidia.com>,
	<jglisse@redhat.com>, <hch@infradead.org>, <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	<willy@infradead.org>, <bsingharora@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 5/8] mm: Device exclusive memory access
Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 21:04:53 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2235357.HsqDk0zIjc@nvdebian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YKRRgZmRMdk1vH7A@t490s>

On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 9:45:05 AM AEST Peter Xu wrote:
> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
> 
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 08:03:27PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > Logically during fork all these device exclusive pages should be
> > reverted back to their CPU pages, write protected and the CPU page PTE
> > copied to the fork.
> > 
> > We should not copy the device exclusive page PTE to the fork. I think
> > I pointed to this on an earlier rev..
> 
> Agreed.  Though please see the question I posted in the other thread: now I
> am not very sure whether we'll be able to mark a page as device exclusive
> if that page has mapcount>1.
>
> > We can optimize this into the various variants above, but logically
> > device exclusive stop existing during fork.
> 
> Makes sense, I think that's indeed what this patch did at least for the COW
> case, so I think Alistair did address that comment.  It's just that I think
> we need to drop the other !COW case (imho that should correspond to the
> changes in copy_nonpresent_pte()) in this patch to guarantee it.

Right. The main change from v7 -> v8 was to remove device exclusive entries on 
fork instead of copying them. The change in copy_nonpresent_pte() is for the
!COW case. I think what you are getting at is given exclusive entries are 
(currently) only supported for PageAnon pages is_cow_mapping() will always be 
true and therefore the change to copy_nonpresent_pte() can be dropped. That 
logic seems reasonable so I will change the exclusive case in 
copy_nonpresent_pte() to a VM_WARN_ON.

> I also hope we don't make copy_pte_range() even more complicated just to do
> the lock_page() right, so we could fail the fork() if the lock is hard to
> take.

Failing fork() because we couldn't take a lock doesn't seem like the right 
approach though, especially as there is already existing code that retries. I 
get this adds complexity though, so would be happy to take a look at cleaning 
copy_pte_range() up in future.

> --
> Peter Xu





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From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: rcampbell@nvidia.com, willy@infradead.org, daniel@ffwll.ch,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org,
	bsingharora@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, hch@infradead.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, bskeggs@redhat.com,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [Nouveau] [PATCH v8 5/8] mm: Device exclusive memory access
Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 21:04:53 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2235357.HsqDk0zIjc@nvdebian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YKRRgZmRMdk1vH7A@t490s>

On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 9:45:05 AM AEST Peter Xu wrote:
> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
> 
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 08:03:27PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > Logically during fork all these device exclusive pages should be
> > reverted back to their CPU pages, write protected and the CPU page PTE
> > copied to the fork.
> > 
> > We should not copy the device exclusive page PTE to the fork. I think
> > I pointed to this on an earlier rev..
> 
> Agreed.  Though please see the question I posted in the other thread: now I
> am not very sure whether we'll be able to mark a page as device exclusive
> if that page has mapcount>1.
>
> > We can optimize this into the various variants above, but logically
> > device exclusive stop existing during fork.
> 
> Makes sense, I think that's indeed what this patch did at least for the COW
> case, so I think Alistair did address that comment.  It's just that I think
> we need to drop the other !COW case (imho that should correspond to the
> changes in copy_nonpresent_pte()) in this patch to guarantee it.

Right. The main change from v7 -> v8 was to remove device exclusive entries on 
fork instead of copying them. The change in copy_nonpresent_pte() is for the
!COW case. I think what you are getting at is given exclusive entries are 
(currently) only supported for PageAnon pages is_cow_mapping() will always be 
true and therefore the change to copy_nonpresent_pte() can be dropped. That 
logic seems reasonable so I will change the exclusive case in 
copy_nonpresent_pte() to a VM_WARN_ON.

> I also hope we don't make copy_pte_range() even more complicated just to do
> the lock_page() right, so we could fail the fork() if the lock is hard to
> take.

Failing fork() because we couldn't take a lock doesn't seem like the right 
approach though, especially as there is already existing code that retries. I 
get this adds complexity though, so would be happy to take a look at cleaning 
copy_pte_range() up in future.

> --
> Peter Xu




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From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: rcampbell@nvidia.com, willy@infradead.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org,
	bsingharora@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, hch@infradead.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jglisse@redhat.com, bskeggs@redhat.com,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	jhubbard@nvidia.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 5/8] mm: Device exclusive memory access
Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 21:04:53 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2235357.HsqDk0zIjc@nvdebian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YKRRgZmRMdk1vH7A@t490s>

On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 9:45:05 AM AEST Peter Xu wrote:
> External email: Use caution opening links or attachments
> 
> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 08:03:27PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > Logically during fork all these device exclusive pages should be
> > reverted back to their CPU pages, write protected and the CPU page PTE
> > copied to the fork.
> > 
> > We should not copy the device exclusive page PTE to the fork. I think
> > I pointed to this on an earlier rev..
> 
> Agreed.  Though please see the question I posted in the other thread: now I
> am not very sure whether we'll be able to mark a page as device exclusive
> if that page has mapcount>1.
>
> > We can optimize this into the various variants above, but logically
> > device exclusive stop existing during fork.
> 
> Makes sense, I think that's indeed what this patch did at least for the COW
> case, so I think Alistair did address that comment.  It's just that I think
> we need to drop the other !COW case (imho that should correspond to the
> changes in copy_nonpresent_pte()) in this patch to guarantee it.

Right. The main change from v7 -> v8 was to remove device exclusive entries on 
fork instead of copying them. The change in copy_nonpresent_pte() is for the
!COW case. I think what you are getting at is given exclusive entries are 
(currently) only supported for PageAnon pages is_cow_mapping() will always be 
true and therefore the change to copy_nonpresent_pte() can be dropped. That 
logic seems reasonable so I will change the exclusive case in 
copy_nonpresent_pte() to a VM_WARN_ON.

> I also hope we don't make copy_pte_range() even more complicated just to do
> the lock_page() right, so we could fail the fork() if the lock is hard to
> take.

Failing fork() because we couldn't take a lock doesn't seem like the right 
approach though, especially as there is already existing code that retries. I 
get this adds complexity though, so would be happy to take a look at cleaning 
copy_pte_range() up in future.

> --
> Peter Xu





  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-19 11:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-07  8:42 [PATCH v8 0/8] Add support for SVM atomics in Nouveau Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42 ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42 ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42 ` [PATCH v8 1/8] mm: Remove special swap entry functions Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-18  2:17   ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18  2:17     ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18  2:17     ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-18 11:58     ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-18 11:58       ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-18 11:58       ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-18 14:17       ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 14:17         ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 14:17         ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-04-07  8:42 ` [PATCH v8 2/8] mm/swapops: Rework swap entry manipulation code Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42 ` [PATCH v8 3/8] mm/rmap: Split try_to_munlock from try_to_unmap Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-18 20:04   ` Liam Howlett
2021-05-18 20:04     ` Liam Howlett
2021-05-18 20:04     ` [Nouveau] " Liam Howlett
2021-05-19 12:38     ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 12:38       ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 12:38       ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-20 20:24       ` Liam Howlett
2021-05-20 20:24         ` Liam Howlett
2021-05-20 20:24         ` [Nouveau] " Liam Howlett
2021-05-21  2:23         ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-21  2:23           ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-21  2:23           ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42 ` [PATCH v8 4/8] mm/rmap: Split migration into its own function Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42 ` [PATCH v8 5/8] mm: Device exclusive memory access Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-18  2:08   ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18  2:08     ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18  2:08     ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-18 13:19     ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-18 13:19       ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-18 13:19       ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-18 17:27       ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 17:27         ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 17:27         ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-18 17:33         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-18 17:33           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-18 17:33           ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-18 18:01           ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 18:01             ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 18:01             ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-18 19:45             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-18 19:45               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-18 19:45               ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-18 20:29               ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 20:29                 ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 20:29                 ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-18 23:03                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-18 23:03                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-18 23:03                   ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-18 23:45                   ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 23:45                     ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 23:45                     ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-19 11:04                     ` Alistair Popple [this message]
2021-05-19 11:04                       ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 11:04                       ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 12:15                       ` Peter Xu
2021-05-19 12:15                         ` Peter Xu
2021-05-19 12:15                         ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-19 13:11                         ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 13:11                           ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 13:11                           ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 14:04                           ` Peter Xu
2021-05-19 14:04                             ` Peter Xu
2021-05-19 14:04                             ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-19 13:28                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-19 13:28                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-19 13:28                       ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-19 14:09                       ` Peter Xu
2021-05-19 14:09                         ` Peter Xu
2021-05-19 14:09                         ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-19 18:11                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-19 18:11                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-19 18:11                           ` [Nouveau] " Jason Gunthorpe
2021-05-19 11:35         ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 11:35           ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 11:35           ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 12:21           ` Peter Xu
2021-05-19 12:21             ` Peter Xu
2021-05-19 12:21             ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-19 12:46             ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 12:46               ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 12:46               ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-21  6:53       ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-21  6:53         ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-21  6:53         ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-18 21:16   ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 21:16     ` Peter Xu
2021-05-18 21:16     ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-19 10:49     ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 10:49       ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 10:49       ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 12:24       ` Peter Xu
2021-05-19 12:24         ` Peter Xu
2021-05-19 12:24         ` [Nouveau] " Peter Xu
2021-05-19 12:46         ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 12:46           ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-19 12:46           ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42 ` [PATCH v8 6/8] mm: Selftests for exclusive device memory Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42 ` [PATCH v8 7/8] nouveau/svm: Refactor nouveau_range_fault Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42 ` [PATCH v8 8/8] nouveau/svm: Implement atomic SVM access Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` Alistair Popple
2021-04-07  8:42   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple
2021-05-21  4:04   ` Ben Skeggs
2021-05-21  4:04     ` Ben Skeggs
2021-05-21  4:04     ` [Nouveau] " Ben Skeggs
2021-05-21  4:04     ` Ben Skeggs
2021-05-06  7:43 ` [PATCH v8 0/8] Add support for SVM atomics in Nouveau Alistair Popple
2021-05-06  7:43   ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-06  7:43   ` [Nouveau] " Alistair Popple

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