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From: "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" <info@metux.net>
To: Amey Narkhede <ameynarkhede03@gmail.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
Cc: raphael.norwitz@nutanix.com, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	bhelgaas@google.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	alay.shah@nutanix.com, suresh.gumpula@nutanix.com,
	shyam.rajendran@nutanix.com, felipe@nutanix.com,
	alex.williamson@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] PCI/sysfs: Allow userspace to query and set device reset mechanism
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 19:14:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <23c58c25-1c53-3777-4b45-415f0c6ec238@metux.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210318174344.yslqpfyct6ziwypd@archlinux>

On 18.03.21 18:43, Amey Narkhede wrote:

> Well I didn't present it as new use case. I just gave existing
> usecase based on existing reset attribute. Nothing new here.
> Nothing really changes wrt that use case.

As a board driver maintainer, I fully support your case. At least as a
development/debugging. And even if people out there play around and find
their own workarounds, these can give us maintainers valuable insights
and save us a lot of time.

> As mentioned earlier not all vendors care about Linux and not
> all of the population can afford to buy new HW just to run Linux.

At least in the x86 world (arm is *much* better here), even the
(supposedly) Linux-friendly ones often don't really care, especially if
the board isn't the newerst model anymore.

Unfortunately, what we do or don't do in the kernel has practically no
influence on board vendor decisions. The best we can practically achieve
at their side is slowing them down on smearing bullshit into FW and acpi
tables. Even getting some useful documentation from vendors is a really
rare thing.

ARM world with device tree, of course, is much better (except for closed
consumer devices like "smartphones" or acpi-poisoned arm64 boxes). At
least for profession embedded boards.


--mtx

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-18 18:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-12 17:34 [PATCH 0/4] Expose and manage PCI device reset ameynarkhede03
2021-03-12 17:34 ` [PATCH 1/4] PCI: Refactor pcie_flr to follow calling convention of other reset methods ameynarkhede03
2021-03-12 17:34 ` [PATCH 2/4] PCI: Add new bitmap for keeping track of supported reset mechanisms ameynarkhede03
2021-03-14 23:51   ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-12 17:34 ` [PATCH 3/4] PCI: Remove reset_fn field from pci_dev ameynarkhede03
2021-03-14 23:52   ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-12 17:34 ` [PATCH 4/4] PCI/sysfs: Allow userspace to query and set device reset mechanism ameynarkhede03
2021-03-14 23:55   ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-15 13:43     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-15 13:52       ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-15 14:34         ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-15 14:52           ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-15 15:03             ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-17 19:02               ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-17 19:15                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-17 19:24                   ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-17 19:32                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-17 19:40                       ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-17 20:00                         ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-17 20:13                           ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-18 14:31                             ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-23 14:34                               ` Pali Rohár
2021-03-23 14:44                                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-23 15:32                                   ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-23 16:06                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-23 16:15                                       ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-15 15:07           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-15 15:33             ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-15 16:29               ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-15 18:32                 ` Raphael Norwitz
2021-03-17  4:20                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-17 10:24                     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-17 11:02                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-17 11:23                         ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-17 11:47                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-17 13:17                             ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-17 13:58                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-17 17:31                                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-18  9:09                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 14:22                                     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-18 14:57                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 17:01                                         ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-18 17:35                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 17:43                                             ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-18 18:14                                               ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult [this message]
2021-03-19 13:05                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-19 15:23                                                 ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-19 15:37                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-19 15:53                                                     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-18 17:58                                             ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-03-19 13:07                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 16:39                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-18 17:22                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 17:38                                         ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-18 18:34                                         ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-03-19 12:59                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-19 13:48                                             ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-03-19 15:51                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-19 15:57                                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2021-03-19 16:24                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-19 16:23                                             ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-20  9:10                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-20 14:59                                                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-21  8:40                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-21 14:57                                                     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-22 17:10                                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-24 10:03                                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-24 14:37                                                         ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-24 15:13                                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-24 17:17                                                             ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-25  8:37                                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-25 14:55                                                                 ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-25 16:09                                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-25 17:22                                                                     ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-25 17:36                                                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-25 17:53                                                                     ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-26  6:40                                                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-26  9:18                                                                         ` Krzysztof Wilczyński
2021-03-26 12:54                                                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-26 14:20                                                                         ` Alex Williamson
2021-03-27  6:02                                                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-25 16:26                                                                 ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-25 16:46                                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-03-18 17:51     ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
     [not found] ` <20210312112043.3f2954e3@omen.home.shazbot.org>
2021-03-12 18:40   ` [PATCH 0/4] Expose and manage PCI device reset Amey Narkhede
2021-03-12 18:58     ` Krzysztof Wilczyński
2021-03-12 19:06       ` Amey Narkhede
2021-03-12 19:20         ` Krzysztof Wilczyński
2021-03-13  2:02     ` Raphael Norwitz
2021-03-14 12:09 ` Leon Romanovsky

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