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From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-mm@kvack.org>, Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 04/27] mm/userfaultfd: Introduce special pte for unmapped file-backed mem
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:16:30 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2408831.NcqaVN92ti@nvdebian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.2106031954570.12760@eggly.anvils>

On Friday, 4 June 2021 1:14:31 PM AEST Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021, Alistair Popple wrote:
> >
> > The detail which is perhaps less important is whether to implement this 
using
> > a new swap entry type or arch-specific swap bit. The argument for using a 
swap
> > type is it will work across architectures due to the use of 
pte_to_swp_entry()
> > and swp_entry_to_pte() to convert to and from the arch-dependent and
> > independent representations.
> >
> > The argument against seems to have been that it is wasting a swap type.
> > However if I'm understanding correctly that's not true for all 
architectures,
> > and needing to reserve a bit is more wasteful than using a swap type.
> 
> I'm on the outside, not paying much attention here,
> but thought Peter would have cleared this up already.
> 
> My understanding is that it does *not* use an additional arch-dependent
> bit, but puts the _PAGE_UFFD_WP bit (already set aside by any architecture
> implementing UFFD WP) to an additional use.  That's why I called this
> design (from Andrea) more elegant than mine (swap type business).

Oh my bad, I had somehow missed this was reusing an *existing* arch-dependent 
swap bit (_PAGE_SWP_UFFD_WP, although the same argument could apply) even 
though it's in the commit message. Obviously I should have read that more 
carefully, apologies for the noise but thanks for the clarification.

> If I've got that wrong, and yet another arch-dependent bit is needed,
> then I very much agree with you: finding arch-dependent pte bits is a
> much tougher job than another play with swap type.
> 
> (And "more elegant" might not be "easier to understand": you decide.)

Agree, that's a somewhat subjective debate. Conceptually I don't think this is 
particularly difficult to understand. It just adds another slightly different 
class of special swap pte's to know about.

 - Alistair

> Hugh





  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-04  6:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-27 20:19 [PATCH v3 00/27] userfaultfd-wp: Support shmem and hugetlbfs Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:19 ` [PATCH v3 01/27] mm/shmem: Unconditionally set pte dirty in mfill_atomic_install_pte Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:19 ` [PATCH v3 02/27] shmem/userfaultfd: Take care of UFFDIO_COPY_MODE_WP Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:19 ` [PATCH v3 03/27] mm: Clear vmf->pte after pte_unmap_same() returns Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:19 ` [PATCH v3 04/27] mm/userfaultfd: Introduce special pte for unmapped file-backed mem Peter Xu
2021-05-28  8:32   ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-28 12:56     ` Peter Xu
2021-06-03 11:53       ` Alistair Popple
2021-06-03 14:51         ` Peter Xu
2021-06-04  0:55           ` Alistair Popple
2021-06-04  3:14             ` Hugh Dickins
2021-06-04  3:14               ` Hugh Dickins
2021-06-04  6:16               ` Alistair Popple [this message]
2021-06-04 16:01                 ` Peter Xu
2021-06-08 13:18                   ` Alistair Popple
2021-06-09 13:06   ` Alistair Popple
2021-06-09 14:43     ` Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 05/27] mm/swap: Introduce the idea of special swap ptes Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 06/27] shmem/userfaultfd: Handle uffd-wp special pte in page fault handler Peter Xu
2021-06-17  8:59   ` Alistair Popple
2021-06-17 15:10     ` Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 07/27] mm: Drop first_index/last_index in zap_details Peter Xu
2021-06-21 12:20   ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-27 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 08/27] mm: Introduce zap_details.zap_flags Peter Xu
2021-06-21 12:09   ` Alistair Popple
2021-06-21 16:16     ` Peter Xu
2021-06-22  2:07       ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-27 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 09/27] mm: Introduce ZAP_FLAG_SKIP_SWAP Peter Xu
2021-06-21 12:36   ` Alistair Popple
2021-06-21 16:26     ` Peter Xu
2021-06-22  2:11       ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-27 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 10/27] mm: Pass zap_flags into unmap_mapping_pages() Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:22 ` [PATCH v3 11/27] shmem/userfaultfd: Persist uffd-wp bit across zapping for file-backed Peter Xu
2021-06-21  8:41   ` Alistair Popple
2021-06-22  0:40     ` Peter Xu
2021-06-22 12:47       ` Alistair Popple
2021-06-22 15:44         ` Peter Xu
2021-06-23  6:04           ` Alistair Popple
2021-06-23 15:31             ` Peter Xu
2021-07-06  5:40               ` Alistair Popple
2021-07-06 15:35                 ` Peter Xu
2021-07-08  2:49                   ` Alistair Popple
2021-05-27 20:22 ` [PATCH v3 12/27] shmem/userfaultfd: Allow wr-protect none pte for file-backed mem Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/27] shmem/userfaultfd: Allows file-back mem to be uffd wr-protected on thps Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/27] shmem/userfaultfd: Handle the left-overed special swap ptes Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/27] shmem/userfaultfd: Pass over uffd-wp special swap pte when fork() Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 16/27] mm/hugetlb: Drop __unmap_hugepage_range definition from hugetlb.h Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/27] mm/hugetlb: Introduce huge pte version of uffd-wp helpers Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/27] hugetlb/userfaultfd: Hook page faults for uffd write protection Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/27] hugetlb/userfaultfd: Take care of UFFDIO_COPY_MODE_WP Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 20/27] hugetlb/userfaultfd: Handle UFFDIO_WRITEPROTECT Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 21/27] mm/hugetlb: Introduce huge version of special swap pte helpers Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 22/27] hugetlb/userfaultfd: Handle uffd-wp special pte in hugetlb pf handler Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 23/27] hugetlb/userfaultfd: Allow wr-protect none ptes Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 24/27] hugetlb/userfaultfd: Only drop uffd-wp special pte if required Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 25/27] mm/pagemap: Recognize uffd-wp bit for shmem/hugetlbfs Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 26/27] mm/userfaultfd: Enable write protection for shmem & hugetlbfs Peter Xu
2021-05-27 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 27/27] userfaultfd/selftests: Enable uffd-wp for shmem/hugetlbfs Peter Xu
2021-06-02 14:40 ` [PATCH v3 00/27] userfaultfd-wp: Support shmem and hugetlbfs Peter Xu
2021-06-02 22:36   ` Andrew Morton
2021-06-03  0:09     ` Peter Xu

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