From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C2BC33C9E for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7340024670 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728712AbgANSuo (ORCPT ); Tue, 14 Jan 2020 13:50:44 -0500 Received: from mga07.intel.com ([134.134.136.100]:6457 "EHLO mga07.intel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726450AbgANSuo (ORCPT ); Tue, 14 Jan 2020 13:50:44 -0500 X-Amp-Result: SKIPPED(no attachment in message) X-Amp-File-Uploaded: False Received: from fmsmga003.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.29]) by orsmga105.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 14 Jan 2020 10:50:43 -0800 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.70,319,1574150400"; d="scan'208";a="273398290" Received: from linux.intel.com ([10.54.29.200]) by FMSMGA003.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2020 10:50:42 -0800 Received: from [10.252.24.8] (abudanko-mobl.ccr.corp.intel.com [10.252.24.8]) by linux.intel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F6258040E; Tue, 14 Jan 2020 10:50:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/9] perf/core: open access for CAP_SYS_PERFMON privileged process To: Alexei Starovoitov Cc: Masami Hiramatsu , Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo , Song Liu , Peter Zijlstra , Ingo Molnar , "jani.nikula@linux.intel.com" , "joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com" , "rodrigo.vivi@intel.com" , Alexei Starovoitov , Benjamin Herrenschmidt , Paul Mackerras , Michael Ellerman , "james.bottomley@hansenpartnership.com" , Serge Hallyn , James Morris , Will Deacon , Mark Rutland , Casey Schaufler , Robert Richter , Jiri Olsa , Andi Kleen , Stephane Eranian , Igor Lubashev , Alexander Shishkin , Namhyung Kim , linux-kernel References: <20200108160713.GI2844@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20200110140234.GO2844@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20200111005213.6dfd98fb36ace098004bde0e@kernel.org> <20200110164531.GA2598@kernel.org> <20200111084735.0ff01c758bfbfd0ae2e1f24e@kernel.org> <2B79131A-3F76-47F5-AAB4-08BCA820473F@fb.com> <5e191833.1c69fb81.8bc25.a88c@mx.google.com> <158a4033-f8d6-8af7-77b0-20e62ec913b0@linux.intel.com> <20200114122506.3cf442dc189a649d4736f86e@kernel.org> <81abaa29-d1be-a888-8b2f-fdf9b7e9fde8@linux.intel.com> From: Alexey Budankov Organization: Intel Corp. Message-ID: <257a949a-b7cc-5ff1-6f1a-34bc44b1efc5@linux.intel.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 21:50:33 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 14.01.2020 21:06, Alexei Starovoitov wrote: > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:47 AM Alexey Budankov > wrote: >>>> >>>> As we talked at RFC series of CAP_SYS_TRACING last year, I just expected >>>> to open it for enabling/disabling kprobes, not for creation. >>>> >>>> If we can accept user who has no admin priviledge but the CAP_SYS_PERFMON, >>>> to shoot their foot by their own risk, I'm OK to allow it. (Even though, >>>> it should check the max number of probes to be created by something like >>>> ulimit) >>>> I think nowadays we have fixed all such kernel crash problems on x86, >>>> but not sure for other archs, especially on the devices I can not reach. >>>> I need more help to stabilize it. >>> >>> I don't see how enable/disable is any safer than creation. >>> If there are kernel bugs in kprobes the kernel will crash anyway. >>> I think such partial CAP_SYS_PERFMON would be very confusing to the users. >>> CAP_* is about delegation of root privileges to non-root. >>> Delegating some of it is ok, but disallowing creation makes it useless >>> for bpf tracing, so we would need to add another CAP later. >>> Hence I suggest to do it right away instead of breaking >>> sys_perf_even_open() access into two CAPs. >>> >> >> Alexei, Masami, >> >> Thanks for your meaningful input. >> If we know in advance that it still can crash the system in some cases and on >> some archs, even though root fully controls delegation thru CAP_SYS_PERFMON, >> such delegation looks premature until the crashes are avoided. So it looks like >> access to eBPF for CAP_SYS_PERFMON privileged processes is the subject for >> a separate patch set. > > perf_event_open is always dangerous. sw cannot guarantee non-bugginess of hw. Sure, software cannot guarantee, but known software bugs could still be fixed, that's what I meant. > imo adding a cap just for pmc is pointless. > if you add a new cap it should cover all of sys_perf_event_open syscall. > subdividing it into sw vs hw counters, kprobe create vs enable, etc will > be the source of ongoing confusion. nack to such cap. > Well, as this patch set already covers complete perf_event_open functionality, and also eBPF related parts too, could you please review and comment on it? Does the patches 2/9 and 5/9 already bring all required extentions? Thanks, Alexey