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From: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
To: "bcodding@redhat.com" <bcodding@redhat.com>
Cc: "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 23/27] NFS: Convert readdir page cache to use a cookie based index
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 14:02:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <28acdb3ed40b0ffd4c3ec320cc239f503ae74fcc.camel@hammerspace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <466F8F77-E052-4D06-A016-946FCBD9C9BF@redhat.com>

On Fri, 2022-03-11 at 06:58 -0500, Benjamin Coddington wrote:
> On 10 Mar 2022, at 16:07, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 15:01 -0500, Benjamin Coddington wrote:
> > > On 27 Feb 2022, at 18:12, trondmy@kernel.org wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>
> > > > 
> > > > Instead of using a linear index to address the pages, use the
> > > > cookie of
> > > > the first entry, since that is what we use to match the page
> > > > anyway.
> > > > 
> > > > This allows us to avoid re-reading the entire cache on a
> > > > seekdir()
> > > > type
> > > > of operation. The latter is very common when re-exporting NFS,
> > > > and
> > > > is a
> > > > major performance drain.
> > > > 
> > > > The change does affect our duplicate cookie detection, since we
> > > > can
> > > > no
> > > > longer rely on the page index as a linear offset for detecting
> > > > whether
> > > > we looped backwards. However since we no longer do a linear
> > > > search
> > > > through all the pages on each call to nfs_readdir(), this is
> > > > less
> > > > of a
> > > > concern than it was previously.
> > > > The other downside is that invalidate_mapping_pages() no longer
> > > > can
> > > > use
> > > > the page index to avoid clearing pages that have been read. A
> > > > subsequent
> > > > patch will restore the functionality this provides to the 'ls -
> > > > l'
> > > > heuristic.
> > > 
> > > I didn't realize the approach was to also hash out the linearly-
> > > cached
> > > entries.  I thought we'd do something like flag the context for
> > > hashed page
> > > indexes after a seekdir event, and if there are collisions with
> > > the
> > > linear
> > > entries, they'll get fixed up when found.
> > 
> > Why? What's the point of using 2 models where 1 will do?
> 
> I don't think the hashed model is quite as simple and efficient
> overall, and
> may produce impacts to a system beyond NFS.
> 
> > > 
> > > Doesn't that mean that with this approach seekdir() only hits the
> > > same pages
> > > when the entry offset is page-aligned?  That's 1 in 127 odds.
> > 
> > The point is not to stomp all over the pages that contain aligned
> > data
> > when the application does call seekdir().
> > 
> > IOW: we always optimise for the case where we do a linear read of
> > the
> > directory, but we support random seekdir() + read too.
> 
> And that could be done just by bumping the seekdir users to some
> constant
> offset (index 262144 ?), or something else equally dead-nuts simple. 
> That
> keeps tightly clustered page indexes, so walking the cache is
> faster.  That
> reduces the "buckshot" effect the hashing has of eating up pagecache
> pages
> they'll never use again.  That doesn't cap our caching ability at 33
> million
> entries.
> 

What you say would make sense if readdir cookies truly were offsets,
but in general they're not. Cookies are unstructured data, and should
be treated as unstructured data.

Let's say I do cache more than 33 million entries and I have to find a
cookie. I have to linearly read through at least 1GB of cached data
before I can give up and start a new readdir. Either that, or I need to
have a heuristic that tells me when to stop searching, and then another
heuristic that tells me where to store the data in a way that doesn't
trash the page cache.

With the hashing, I seek to the page matching the hash, and I either
immediately find what I need, or I immediately know to start a readdir.
There is no need for any additional heuristic.

> Its weird to me that we're doing exactly what XArray says not to do,
> hash
> the index, when we don't have to.
> 
> > > It also means we're amplifying the pagecache's useage for
> > > slightly
> > > changing
> > > directories - rather than re-using the same pages we're
> > > scattering
> > > our usage
> > > across the index.  Eh, maybe not a big deal if we just expect the
> > > page
> > > cache's LRU to do the work.
> > > 
> > 
> > I don't understand your point about 'not reusing'. If the user
> > seeks to
> > the same cookie, we reuse the page. However I don't know how you
> > would
> > go about setting up a schema that allows you to seek to an
> > arbitrary
> > cookie without doing a linear search.
> 
> So when I was taking about 'reusing' a page, that's about re-filling
> the
> same pages rather than constantly conjuring new ones, which requires
> less of
> the pagecache's resources in total.  Maybe the pagecache can handle
> that
> without it negatively impacting other users of the cache that /will/
> re-use
> their cached pages, but I worry it might be irresponsible of us to
> fill the
> pagecache with pages we know we're never going to find again.
> 

In the case where the processes are reading linearly through a
directory that is not changing (or at least where the beginning of the
directory is not changing), we will reuse the cached data, because just
like in the linearly indexed case, each process ends up reading the
exact same sequence of cookies, and looking up the exact same sequence
of hashes.

The sequences start to diverge only if they hit a part of the directory
that is being modified. At that point, we're going to be invalidating
page cache entries anyway with the last reader being more likely to be
following the new sequence of cookies.

The hashed indexing does come with a cost, thanks to XArray but that
cost is limited to a max of 8MB with the current scheme.

-- 
Trond Myklebust
Linux NFS client maintainer, Hammerspace
trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com



  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-11 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-27 23:12 [PATCH v9 00/27] Readdir improvements trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12 ` [PATCH v9 01/27] NFS: Return valid errors from nfs2/3_decode_dirent() trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12   ` [PATCH v9 02/27] NFS: constify nfs_server_capable() and nfs_have_writebacks() trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12     ` [PATCH v9 03/27] NFS: Trace lookup revalidation failure trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12       ` [PATCH v9 04/27] NFS: Initialise the readdir verifier as best we can in nfs_opendir() trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12         ` [PATCH v9 05/27] NFS: Use kzalloc() to avoid initialising the nfs_open_dir_context trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12           ` [PATCH v9 06/27] NFS: Calculate page offsets algorithmically trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12             ` [PATCH v9 07/27] NFS: Store the change attribute in the directory page cache trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12               ` [PATCH v9 08/27] NFS: Don't re-read the entire page cache to find the next cookie trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                 ` [PATCH v9 09/27] NFS: Don't advance the page pointer unless the page is full trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                   ` [PATCH v9 10/27] NFS: Adjust the amount of readahead performed by NFS readdir trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                     ` [PATCH v9 11/27] NFS: If the cookie verifier changes, we must invalidate the page cache trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                       ` [PATCH v9 12/27] NFS: Simplify nfs_readdir_xdr_to_array() trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                         ` [PATCH v9 13/27] NFS: Reduce use of uncached readdir trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                           ` [PATCH v9 14/27] NFS: Improve heuristic for readdirplus trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                             ` [PATCH v9 15/27] NFS: Don't ask for readdirplus unless it can help nfs_getattr() trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                               ` [PATCH v9 16/27] NFSv4: Ask for a full XDR buffer of readdir goodness trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                                 ` [PATCH v9 17/27] NFS: Readdirplus can't help lookup for case insensitive filesystems trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                                   ` [PATCH v9 18/27] NFS: Don't request readdirplus when revalidation was forced trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                                     ` [PATCH v9 19/27] NFS: Add basic readdir tracing trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                                       ` [PATCH v9 20/27] NFS: Trace effects of readdirplus on the dcache trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                                         ` [PATCH v9 21/27] NFS: Trace effects of the readdirplus heuristic trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                                           ` [PATCH v9 22/27] NFS: Clean up page array initialisation/free trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                                             ` [PATCH v9 23/27] NFS: Convert readdir page cache to use a cookie based index trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                                               ` [PATCH v9 24/27] NFS: Fix up forced readdirplus trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                                                 ` [PATCH v9 25/27] NFS: Remove unnecessary cache invalidations for directories trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                                                   ` [PATCH v9 26/27] NFS: Optimise away the previous cookie field trondmy
2022-02-27 23:12                                                     ` [PATCH v9 27/27] NFS: Cache all entries in the readdirplus reply trondmy
2022-03-09 20:01                                               ` [PATCH v9 23/27] NFS: Convert readdir page cache to use a cookie based index Benjamin Coddington
2022-03-09 21:03                                                 ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-03-10 21:07                                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2022-03-11 11:58                                                   ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-03-11 14:02                                                     ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2022-03-11 16:14                                                       ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-03-11 16:51                                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2022-03-09 17:39                             ` [PATCH v9 14/27] NFS: Improve heuristic for readdirplus Benjamin Coddington
2022-03-10 14:31                               ` [PATCH] NFS: Trigger "ls -l" readdir heuristic sooner Benjamin Coddington
2022-03-16 22:25                                 ` Olga Kornievskaia
2022-03-10 20:15                               ` [PATCH v9 14/27] NFS: Improve heuristic for readdirplus Trond Myklebust
2022-03-11 11:28                                 ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-03-01 19:09               ` [PATCH v9 07/27] NFS: Store the change attribute in the directory page cache Anna Schumaker
2022-03-01 23:11                 ` Trond Myklebust
2022-03-09 13:42       ` [PATCH v9 03/27] NFS: Trace lookup revalidation failure Benjamin Coddington
2022-03-09 15:28         ` Chuck Lever III
2022-03-09 21:35           ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-03-09 21:32 ` [PATCH v9 00/27] Readdir improvements Benjamin Coddington

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