From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F138C10F13 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 07:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FC920868 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 07:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadcom.com header.i=@broadcom.com header.b="bQDUI4jP" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728643AbfDPHeF (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Apr 2019 03:34:05 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f196.google.com ([209.85.215.196]:41176 "EHLO mail-pg1-f196.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727037AbfDPHeF (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Apr 2019 03:34:05 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f196.google.com with SMTP id f6so9890548pgs.8 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 00:34:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=subject:from:to:cc:references:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PS1X0G2OdMF4oZfqvVfHEM2wZlkTitVOneaOsl1od20=; b=bQDUI4jPDs8uF+x+8lmPfGVIbbbXpjAJcMzcnmiqFnNclYROzDRZpYGVbv5VEXZ+TG nuQcV8uTPiJ/pJ+yAP1x6XPbR2lVFizRaMKdVlvs5luOQwEBkxWK0CCW4mKe56l0LnDh hmi6VNmDpMWIeG+m6/CB7/Bbn+1zNtIB002Zg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:from:to:cc:references:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PS1X0G2OdMF4oZfqvVfHEM2wZlkTitVOneaOsl1od20=; b=srmDavBx6Izikrb5FdUNIjcQVPkK3TzSbiClmalL6Op3gxb3Lff+bv+wsluwP8d5vM Y8CdZMMUqOJFvUSp3ZhlIhjtMO4lT6I4PEoY0CdQnjloN0j4wWgtM1UFYnsgZHL1xsoi R7kEa8YSmyMb8XRJDkLq/XtUi/qJyrlYzp6L4zwmrgy7EkROH+zihgZZ+X8a3wlO1RMG FRfI+PhTFjCG6pYRNjFtq9zqKqbhtdlGL+yS2v5mXDIOmFnuIcX8yFj8Vxr1vFRngXff vjP0u8kXH/FJkPAPIYWuzjz1iN5qDW8C1klwWOaxd9wTfxNvJwGjuLvFlKcuhVh7tMrw xnpg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXDB1dhLt6Wc3UEUVtvFC2FQaUppbRmYRs2SHGjH6LweKkC4cmv gtKaTtoXWdpbpKpkKW4PKXFnvg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxDuUQpL2CZJuPDVh25uarOVEFfZNSNo82IwxHS/wp4B0hoQzFhE+DJEUXwEuP7ItUTlhtfQg== X-Received: by 2002:a65:500d:: with SMTP id f13mr75732114pgo.250.1555400044313; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 00:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.176.68.125] ([192.19.248.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z21sm71924529pfn.139.2019.04.16.00.34.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Apr 2019 00:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] mac80211: set NETIF_F_LLTX when using intermediate tx queues From: Arend Van Spriel To: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, johannes@sipsolutions.net, Herbert Xu Cc: Felix Fietkau , =?UTF-8?Q?Toke_H=c3=b8iland-J=c3=b8rgensen?= References: <20190316170634.13125-1-nbd@nbd.name> <20190316170634.13125-5-nbd@nbd.name> <87sgvmvg9g.fsf@toke.dk> <773e4dff-29fd-22b4-e4bc-cd5a94c66dc2@broadcom.com> <16a1bd77c20.2764.9b12b7fc0a3841636cfb5e919b41b954@broadcom.com> Message-ID: <2e440cc1-d085-ff35-819c-d639cda3d894@broadcom.com> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 09:34:01 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16a1bd77c20.2764.9b12b7fc0a3841636cfb5e919b41b954@broadcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org On 4/14/2019 2:34 PM, Arend Van Spriel wrote: > On April 14, 2019 1:19:49 PM Felix Fietkau wrote: > >> On 2019-04-14 11:44, Arend Van Spriel wrote: >>> + Herbert >>> >>> On 3/16/2019 7:14 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: >>>> Felix Fietkau writes: >>>> >>>>> When using iTXQ, tx sequence number allocation and statistics are >>>>> run at >>>>> dequeue time. Because of that, it is safe to enable NETIF_F_LLTX, >>>>> which >>>>> allows tx handlers to run on multiple CPUs in parallel. >>>> >>>> Cool, didn't know about that flag. >>> >>> It is water under the bridge as this patch got applied already, but I >>> stumbled upon it just recently and didn't know about that flag either. >>> So I looked for more information about it and found the definition [1], >>> but the comment seemed important enough to send this reply. >>> >>>     NETIF_F_LLTX_BIT,    /* LockLess TX - deprecated. Please */ >>>                 /* do not use LLTX in new drivers */ >>> >>> Here is the commit that marked it deprecated: >>> >>> commit e24eb521fbf2a350ce879dfc1d8e56d4ffa2aa22 >>> Author: Christian Borntraeger >>> Date:   Tue Sep 25 19:42:02 2007 -0700 >>> >>>      [NET]: note that NETIF_F_LLTX is deprecated >>> >>> So I am not sure we should really do this in mac80211. Maybe Herbert can >>> comment although it has been over a decade ago. >> There is a lot of comparable code that also uses this flag, e.g. >> batman-adv, bridge, vlan, various tunnel implementations. I think >> mac80211 fits well with those kinds of use cases. > > Ok. As said I was not sure so I can/will not argue. > >> If I remember correctly, the deprecation was added to avoid quirky >> custom locking schemes in ethernet drivers. > > What do you mean by "quirky custom locking schemes"? You mean that TX > path would use driver data that should actually be accessed under some > lock? > > When seeing the deprecated comment I wanted to know the why and was > hoping the commit message would divulge. It just mentions it is not > needed. So now I am curious as to why it wouldn't be needed especially > as you say there are (valid) use-cases in the kernel today. Getting back to this in an attempt to clarify my question. So from what Felix is saying the NETIF_F_LLTX flag is not deprecated, but restricted. What I would like to know is what exactly is required from a driver to allow the use of this flag. Regards, Arend